Batman: Caped Crusader Season 1 Review

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This is a DynaMic Network podcast.

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Welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous Joe. And in this episode, we are reviewing the Amazon exclusive animated series, Batman Caped Crusader. It was developed by Bruce Timm, the very same Bruce Timm that created the Batman cartoon series from the 90s that we all know and love.

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Yeah, Jonathan and I are still in what we call review hell because DC decided to release a whole lot of summer projects within the same like four week time span. Just bear with us. We're almost through to the end, I think with the Joker Follyado movie. Yeah, see this kind of like, you know, Dante's Inferno coming out through Paradiso and the Joker Follyado film is Paradiso because it's gonna be so damn good. Have you seen the reviews of it so far? I don't trust those Rotten Tomatoes critics. Those guys are assholes.

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Anyway, before we get into our review of Batman Caves Crusader, we're going to break down the comic book movie news from the past week, including the Venom, The Last Dance final trailer and the news that Destin Daniel Crichton is in talks to direct Spider-Man 4. As always, we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Our artificially intelligent Duel simulator, AJ-9K, has a quick message for our listeners, so listen up.

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Guys, be sure to tune into the other shows on the DynaMic Podcast Network this week, including Max Destruction, which pits your favorite action heroes from film and television against each other. This week, hosts Scotty and Gilly are reviewing Terminator 2, Judgement Day. Great film. One of the best films of all time. On the Senjoworld podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite anime and manga characters. This Thursday, Zach will be fighting out who would win between Jotaro from Jojo's Bizarre

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against Joker from Persona 5. That's a big one. On the Console Combat Podcast hosts John and Dean simulate battles between popular video game characters, and yesterday's episode, they reviewed the Borderlands film. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network. But with that out of the way, quick to the No Prize! A No Prize is an award Marvel used to give out to fans.

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Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week we asked, who would you cast as Richard Ryder in the Nova series and Hal Jordan and Jon Stewart in the Lantern series? And we got a whole lot of answers. Let's go ahead and run down our honorable mentions as well as the No Prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Jose Marcial, who said, For Hal Jordan, I would

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cast Josh Brolin since how Jordan is supposed to be older and more gruff in this version. And for Jon Stewart, I would cast David Johnson. He played Andy in Alien Romulus. He's like best part of that movie and he's a really good actor just from that role alone. And what was that other part of the question? So this may have been recorded before we received news that Josh Brolin has actually withdrawn his name.

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from the running for the character of Hal Jordan. So, you know, that's not gonna happen, although it wouldn't have been a terrible choice. As far as David Johnson goes, I have not seen Alien Romulus, but I've heard amazing things about the movie and his performance in particular. So this answer gets me pretty excited. Yeah, I was waiting to see Alien Romulus until I saw Alien Covenant, because I haven't seen that yet either. But I am super excited to see Alien Romulus. It looks really damn good. Of course,

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Jose did not get to an answer for Nova because no one cares. Nobody got time for a Nova answer. Actually, a lot of the callers this week didn't answer the full question with all three characters, Jon Stewart, Hal Jordan, and Richard Ryder. Only a few of them did, but not our next honorable mention, Miggy Mathingian, who said, Hey, what's up guys, this is Miggy. And even though it might be confusing for general audiences, from the short list, I would pick Chris Pine to play Hal Jordan.

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And then the Hollywood Reporter said that they would want a newer actor, younger actor to play John Stewart. So I would go with Malachi Kirby. Even though I haven't seen him play in anything, I've seen that he is like an award winning actor. So, and I think he's like a lesser known name. So yeah, Chris Pine and Malachi Kirby. Yeah. Miggi's concern is that audiences might find it confusing to see Chris Pine as Hal Jordan, considering he was very prominently Steve Trevor.

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in the Wonder Woman films. That said, I think he would make a great, damn near perfect Hal Jordan. The guy is a great actor, and you know, we've already seen that he could pull off the role of brave pilot. Yeah, I'm not sure how his role as Hal Jordan would differ too much from Steve Trevor from the Wonder Woman films, but I really like the answer of Malachi Kirby as Jon Stewart. In fact, I'm going to say don't get him for Jon Stewart and let's get him for the next Black Panther. Because...

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Dude could totally nail that role. Well too bad, cause Team DC already called dibs. Great answer, Miggy. Our next honorable mention goes to Daniel Alonso, who said, All right, I'm going to start making an effort to send a message in every week because y'all's new stuff is also great. So I'm gonna start off with a co-co-combo and answer last week's. My favorite episode is Hit Monkey versus Gleek, funniest shit so far. Casting for Hal Jordan, I would go with Bradley Cooper.

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for Richard Rider, I would do Liam Hemsworth. And bonus, I would have cast Michael Fassbender as Dr. Doom. I believe he could have brought the gravitas that the role needed. All right, yeah, Daniel gave a few more answers than we asked. He also answered last week's question of, what's your favorite episode of Dynamic Duel? Thank you for doing that. I really like his answer of Bradley Cooper for Hal Jordan, though. Yeah, absolutely. I've always wanted to see Bradley Cooper take on a superhero role, and...

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To me, Hal Jordan makes the most sense for him. I know he's an actor who really likes to stretch his craft, so I'm not sure how attracted to that role he would be, but he would be amazing in it, absolutely. He would actually be my number one pick, I think. My number one dream casting, for sure. And Liam Hemsworth for Richard Ryder, I can see it working, you know, he looks awful lot like his brother Chris Hemsworth, who plays Thor, but I don't think that's too big of an issue, they can make their Richard Ryder look a little bit different by dying his hair or something. I don't know.

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but he definitely looks like Richard Ryder. So yeah, it could totally work. Yeah, I mean, as long as you keep Thor with a beard and Richard Ryder without a beard, it's fine. It works out. Yeah, I don't think you could pull off the Nova helmet with a beard. I don't think, which makes me sad because now I feel like I can never be Nova. You never could. We're gonna give a special thanks to Mason Thompson and Scott Camacho for calling in and leaving their answers. Scotty.

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your idea of casting Robert Downey Jr. as Richard Ryder was hilarious. I laughed my ass off. But the winner of this week's No Prize is Cyrus Moore, who said, Hey guys, Cyrus Moore here. So the perfect DC lanterns casting for Hal Jordan is Bradley Cooper, Shamar Moore for Jon Stewart, and I don't really know the Nova Corps very well, but I feel like Logan Lerman from The Maze Runner would make a pretty good

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Nova Corps member for Richard Ryder. But yeah, Bradley Cooper and Shamar Moore would be perfect choices to be lanterns. Thank you guys. Yeah, again, Bradley Cooper as Hal Jordan is the best possible outcome. Shamar Moore would actually make a perfect Jon Stewart if he was younger, I think. Shamar Moore, I think, has aged out of that role. But considering he had a long running role on the show, Criminal Minds.

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where he's kind of done this whole true detective style thing, which is what the lantern show is being compared to. Yeah, he would be great. And then Logan Lerman as Richard Ryder. I actually like this casting the best. Logan Lerman was actually not in the Maze Runner movie. That was Daniel O'Brien. Logan Lerman was Percy Jackson. He was in those films. But I remember his name was tossed around for Spider-Man back when they were casting for Spider-Man Homecoming and Tom Holland ended up getting the role.

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But I think that Logan Lerman definitely looks like Richard Rider from the comics and could totally pull it off. And the guy could act as well, like I remember seeing him in the Noah movie. And he did a fantastic job. But great answer, Cyrus Moore, you win this week's No Prize. If you the listener want a shot at winning your own No Prize, stay tuned to later on in this episode when we'll be asking another question of the week. And now that that's done, onto the news!

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This past week we got the final trailer for the Venom, the last dance movie that's coming out in October. It is the second major trailer that we've gotten for this film. And I have to say that actually this trailer impressed me a whole lot more than the first one. I think the first one I was being really whiny about it because I hate the title of the film and we weren't quite sure what was going on with the story. But you throw null in there and you got me hooked my friend.

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As soon as I saw that the main bad guy of this movie was not going to be Chiwetel Isheophore's Orwell Taylor, and that it was going to be null, I was blown away. That was the best case scenario. Yeah, all of a sudden the movie seems almost worth it. I'm not going to lie. I actually enjoyed this trailer. Like I did not expect to, but I don't know what it was. Just I don't know the music and just the relationship between the two characters. I just found it charming. I'm trying really hard not to get excited.

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at all for this movie because I don't want to be let down considering it's Sony who's making the film. But this was a good trailer. Well, we can all agree that Venom Let There Be Carnage sucked balls, right? It really sucked. The first Venom movie was not great, but it was novel for the way it portrayed the Eddie Brock Venom relationship. The relationship between those two characters is the best thing about this entire franchise. And the way the third trailer really sold

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the perhaps culmination of that relationship I thought was really enticing. I want to see how this story might end, if it does. I mean, like, both of the trailers that came out for this film have heavily alluded to the idea of Eddie Brock or Venom sacrificing themselves for the other. I'm totally not sold that that's gonna happen, but it's possible. You know, Tom Hardy may in fact want to pull a Logan and go out in style, you know, but I'm still really hoping that somehow...

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Venom ends up in a Spider-Man movie or vice versa. And, you know, not counting the stupid post credit stuff from No Way Home. But yeah, Null is going to be in this film. And for those of you who may not know who he is, he is the primordial deity who created the symbiotes. And he is a total badass. He was the main villain in the King and Black storyline from the comics, which was a great run. It was a great story. I highly suggest reading it. But he's a badass like.

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on the same level as Thanos. Like it took every single Marvel hero on Earth to defeat this guy. So it'll be interesting to see him going up against Venom in this film. Apparently he is the one that the symbiotes that came to Earth in the first movie were escaping from and he is the one who sends the xenophages down to Earth. Those are the creatures that attack Venom on the plane at the beginning of this trailer. But does Null ever come to Earth in the comics? He does, yeah, but they're probably going to have to nerf him a little bit.

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because he's insanely powerful. Like he could kill Celestials, if you guys remember Celestials from the Eternals movie. And here he's only going up against Venom. So they're probably gonna have to nerf him, which is a shame, but just to see him on screen will be worth it, I think. We don't know who's playing Null as of yet. There are some rumors going around that maybe Reese Ifans is gonna play him. And we do see Reese later on in this trailer, which is super confusing because the actor played Kurt Connors, the Lizard.

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in the amazing Spider-Man franchise. So it's weird to see him in this movie. Yeah, considering that Reese Ifans was recently seen in a MCU Spider-Man movie, I doubt that's the actor that's playing Null. Yeah. A lot of this movie takes place in Las Vegas. I bet you that's where the climax of the film is going to be. And there's this weird scene where Eddie and Venom steal a disguise from some guy wearing a suit.

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I don't know what's going on here in the scene. It almost looks like Eddie pees on him before Venom slaps the shit out of him. The guy pees on Eddie. Is that what happens? Yeah. Who the hell does that? That's so fucking weird. I hate that. Right. But also I hate it because Venom can change his appearance to match other clothing anyway. So why do they need to steal this guy's clothes? Doesn't make sense. Maybe they just stole a key or something like that. There was a whole section here where Venom is gambling and discovers the joys of.

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gambling and the addictive quality to it that I didn't need in a trailer. We'll say that that could have been a funny and I put funny in quotes, gag for the movie. Didn't need to be in the trailer. Just wasted time. No, it was dumb. I never related to that feeling to begin with. Anytime I put money in a slot machine, it just goes right away. And I'm like, Oh, this is like, fuck. But no, I mean, the film, I think shows promise the inclusion of Null, the relationship between Eddie and Venom.

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I think that all looks fantastic. Those things alone are propping up my expectations for this film. I'm hoping at least it'll be better than Venom Let There Be Carnage, and I'm hoping it's as good as the first Venom film. But we'll find out in just over a month when this movie comes out on October 25th. But with this trailer teasing that this may be the last appearance of Venom, that brings us to our question of the week.

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Do you think this should or shouldn't be Eddie Brock's and Venom's last appearance in Sony's Spider-Man universe, and why? Record your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer, and award that person a dynamic duel no prize that we'll post to Instagram. Be sure to answer before September 21st.

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But speaking of the Sony Spider-Man universe, we also learned this past week that Destin Daniel Cretton is in talks to direct Spider-Man 4. Now Destin Daniel Cretton is the director behind the Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings film and the upcoming Wonder Man series. And Marvel loves this guy. He's a fantastic director. I really loved the Shang-Chi film. And I'm actually really excited about this news because I think he can knock Spider-Man 4 out of the park.

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The one downside to this is that it means that a Shang-Chi sequel is likely going to be put on a back burner, which breaks my heart because that franchise deserves better. Yeah, I'm actually really surprised we haven't received a Shang-Chi sequel yet. I am happy for Destin Daniel Cretton though, considering the fact that he was kicked off the upcoming Avengers movie. This is not a terrible consolation. No, you're absolutely right. Now-

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Shang-Chi the character was rumored to play a heavy part in the King Dynasty film back when that was a thing. Ever since the conviction of Jonathan Majors and his subsequent firing from Marvel Studios, you know, they had to rework Avengers the King Dynasty into Avengers Doomsday. And it's not quite sure if Shang-Chi is still going to play a prominent role within that film because Destin Daniel Cretton was originally attached to direct the King Dynasty and it was stated that

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the film was going to be a quasi-sequel for Shang-Chi, which is why they hadn't made a whole lot of movement on a Shang-Chi sequel. So now, because reports are saying that the Spider-Man movie is being fast-tracked, like they're hoping to write the film and start shooting it as early as next year, Destin Daniel Cran is not going to be able to get to Shang-Chi for a while. My hope is that maybe they'll be able to squeeze Shang-Chi into the Spider-Man 4 film.

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since those characters have teamed up in the comics before, and since the MCU Spider-Man franchise has often included cameos from other MCU heroes, such as Iron Man in Homecoming, Nick Fury in Far From Home, and Doctor Strange in No Way Home. Yeah, that'd be cool to get like a different cameo for each Spider-Man movie, I like that. Yeah, the Spider-Man movies could almost be treated like the Marvel team-up comic book series, which Spider-Man was often the star teaming up with other.

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lesser known characters. One of our executive producers, Devin Davis, had the idea that Spider-Man 4 would largely focus on the Black Cat storyline since reports are also saying that Zendaya is not going to have a huge role in Spider-Man 4, which makes sense considering where they left the franchise off in No Way Home. And I think introducing Black Cat is the next logical step for the franchise. Devin Davis suggested that that could mean that she's working for Kingpin and then you could have

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Daredevil be the superhero team up and I think I like that idea even more. So everything's just looking bad for Shang-Chi. I feel bad for the actor Simu Liu because he was a great Shang-Chi and I feel like he deserves better than this deal that he's getting. Maybe by the time they do make a Shang-Chi sequel, China will have calmed the F down and let that film be released in their country. We'll see. One can only hope.

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That is it for all the news for this week, now let's move on to the main event of this episode when we review the Amazon exclusive DC animated series, Batman Caped Crusader Season 1.

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Okay, Batman Kid Crusader is a new animated series developed by Bruce Timm and produced by J.J. Abrams and Matt Reeves. It is a reimagining of sorts of Bruce Timm's beloved animated series that us 90s kids used to watch every day after school and on Saturday mornings. This series, however, is unhindered by concerns over network marketability, allowing for a more mature psychological and progressive take.

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on the familiar characters within the Batman mythos. And while I'd hesitate to say it's an improvement upon the 90s series in the same way that the recent X-Men 97 series was over that childhood favorite, Caped Crusader's retro aesthetics and intriguing interpretations do make it a worthwhile and standout addition to Batman's vast library of animated content. Since the primary appeal of the series really is how it interprets its characters,

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If you haven't seen the show and want to avoid spoilers, stop listening now. Watch the show, then come back and listen to our thoughts because we will be delving into spoilers. Yeah, anyone who was a fan of the 90s Batman, the animated series cartoon, I think owes it to themselves to check this show out. But I think it goes even harder into the hardboiled elements of the Batman comics when they first came out.

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Oh absolutely, for sure. It's much more in that classic noir style. It's very hard boiled, very stripped down, very classic Batman, which is nice. Now I wouldn't say this is a must-see Batman series though. The main appeal of it isn't necessarily Batman, but the creators behind the show. From Bruce Timm's classic design and strong storytelling sense,

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to J.J. Abrams' talent for bringing new life to established properties, to Matt Reeves' gritty and realistic understanding of the character evidenced in his 2022 film, The Batman, to the involvement of some of the comic industry's best writers in Ed Brubaker and Greg Rucka. Fans knew this was going to be something special, going all the way back to 2014's Strange Days animated short that Bruce Timm made for Batman's 75th anniversary, which served as a launchpad for this series' visual aesthetic.

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Can I just say that when I saw the names behind the show, because I had no idea, right? I knew that Bruce Timm was behind the show, but I didn't know that Matt Reeves was producing. I think I knew that JJ Abrams was producing, but that's still a huge name to see for this cartoon. And then all of a sudden I saw Ed Brubaker and Greg Rucka, and I'm like, what the fuck is this? Is this gonna be the best show of all time? Right? Man, I was truly impressed by the names behind this series. 110%.

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I'd go so far as to say that between the creators involved and the success of X-Men 97 and my excitement over the show's mid-20th century design approach, I thought this show was going to be the ultimate Batman series, and this is probably a solid example of why you should temper your expectations going into any project involving a character that's near and dear to your heart. It was just so d-

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different, not in a bad way, just a mildly unsatisfactory way. A way I should have seen coming when they started revealing things like their new take on Harley Quinn. I didn't realize this show was going to be as Elseworlds, for lack of a better word, as it was. Yeah, they changed a lot of things, right? For better or for worse, I didn't mind a lot of the changes they had here, but I think we could both agree that they fucked up the Penguin. You know, honestly?

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I did not hate their take on the penguin. I thought I was going to. Some of the new takes that they did on the characters that could be considered controversial because they race bent or gender bent the characters like Barbara Gordon or the penguin, I didn't mind. I was surprised I didn't hate Oswalda the female penguin because it was well done, I thought. That question of why was pretty much cast aside once I understood the Elseworlds vibe of the show. I tend to be a little bit more forgiving of how characters are handled.

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and else world stories like the doom that came to Gotham or Red Sun, because I understand it's what if type nature. As a general rule, I don't mind race bending or gender bending as long as, you know, they're true to the character. But Oswalda Cobblepot was nothing like the Penguin as any of us know. It was almost an entirely different character. She was like a big mama type mobster. Yeah, I've never seen the Penguin do a song and dance number at the Iceberg Lounge. That was pretty wild. Cabaret number. Oh, God.

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I bleach. But you know, expectations aside, I thought the show did a terrific job at for the most part reintroducing us to familiar characters episode by episode. I was 100% tuned in to each episode and eager for the next one in the same way I used to be watching the 90s cartoon as a kid. I love film noir detective stories. I love mid 20th century design. I love dark psychological examinations of characters. So yeah, this show hooked me.

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I watched the entire thing in less than 24 hours. And like I said, I like what they did with a lot of the characters. Not all of it worked like I would say on Amada Pia or the Robin characters, but a lot of them like Clayface or Nocturna or the Gentleman Ghost felt like they came straight out of a Tales from the Crypt horror-esque Elseworlds version of the DC universe. And keeping your eye out for obscure cameos from characters like Jim Corrigan or Floyd

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for sure. I really liked the anthological take on this. While the series wasn't entirely anthological because you had the Harvey Dent through line, a lot of these episodes were one-offs. Yeah, that's one thing I really liked about the old 90s cartoon was its anthological nature. For the most part, every episode Batman would tackle a new villain or a new conflict that would get wrapped up by the end of the episode. And while this series did have some overarching conflicts,

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It was more anthological than many current shows. I'll always argue that long-form storytelling is superior, and one of the reasons I love the serialized nature of comic books. But there's something to be said for short, quick stories as well. And this show definitely satisfied a nostalgic itch that I hadn't realized I had. I mentioned that it was kind of fun looking out for obscure characters in this season. That said, I would have much rather seen new takes on less obscure characters because...

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I feel like those are kind of easy. I was much more impressed by this new take on Harley Quinn than I was on, say, Gentleman Ghost. I think it would have been much more of a challenge to come up with psychological rich takes on characters like Poison Ivy or Mr. Freeze. So I'm looking forward to seeing them in subsequent seasons, if they make them, you know, along with the Joker, who at the end of this season was teased in a man- manner, which...

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Yes, please. Back when Batman Begins came out, which was a much more grounded, gritty take on the character in a way that audiences weren't used to seeing because we were used to like the Schumacher films and stuff like that. Grounding things in reality kind of became popular for a while. The ideas were if you take the character and you remove the fantastical elements and imagine what it would be like if this thing actually existed in reality, that's what they did on this Caped Crusader show for the most part.

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minus the supernatural episodes with the gentlemen ghost and the carnival and things like that. It was really cool to see those ideas take shape in a more grounded, gritty way. Because it totally fits the world of Batman. And yeah, I would love to see how they would approach more fantastical characters like Poison Ivy, like Mr. Freeze. I think that would be really neat. Yeah, I really hope they do more seasons of this show because that would be amazing to see. Now listeners of this podcast may have heard me complain about Bruce Tim's figure design.

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I praised the Tomorrowverse for moving away from that Bruce Tim style and showing us something less templated than decades past. This show moves back toward that style, though it does mix it up a little bit more than in the past. I actually didn't need chunkier versions of characters like Renee Montoya or Harley Quinn. It literally looked like they just took the female character model and increased the width.

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Yeah, in a nostalgic way. But, you know, everything just felt a little bit cleaner and more varied and a little bit more modern, too. I would definitely agree that it looked cleaner. I thought it actually looked a little bit older in terms of the design than the 90s series. Like the the 90s series had much more streamlined buildings, I felt. And this one was a little bit more vintage, I would say. Honestly, you know, I'm spoiled after Suicide Squad, Isekai.

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Again, as we mentioned in that review, that was probably the best animated work out of any animated DC project ever. So to go from that to this was like, oh, more Bruce Tim. Yay. But I've mentioned characters a lot. Let's go ahead and move into our character breakdown, starting with Batman Bruce Wayne. He was voiced by Hamish Linklater, known for his work on the new adventures of Old Christine, Legion, Midnight Mass and Manhunt.

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Don't think the dichotomy between his Bruce Wayne and Batman voice was as successful as Kevin Conroy. I didn't think it was terrible either. His Batman voice sounded to me like a mixture between Kevin Conroy's authoritative approach and Christian Bale's growl. He did a fantastic job. Now, most Batman animated voice actors are largely doing a Kevin Conroy impression and this is no exception. I do think to that end, I...

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prefer other animated voices like what Jensen Ackles did in the Tomorrowverse. Yeah, I would agree. But this was entirely passable. I was impressed by the job that Hamish Linklater was able to do. I'd say like after Conroy, he's my third or fourth favorite Batman voice. Yeah, that sounds about right. I do think that Hamish Linklater would make a fantastic live-action Batman, considering the guy's a pretty good actor. I would have much rather seen him as Bruce Wayne than fucking Ian Glenn in the Titan series. Hahaha, yeah.

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It's occasionally a challenge for writers to make Batman stand out against, arguably, literature's most intriguing and colorful rogues gallery. This series definitely suffers on that front. I felt like Batman actually got less screen time in each episode than I thought he would, though honestly, maybe about the same amount as the 90s cartoon. I'm not 100% on that. When he did appear though, they made the most of his appearances, as stripped down as the character was for the show. He wasn't big on martial arts,

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but he had a fair number of gadgets and it was a decent showcase for his detective work. Well, I feel like they could have maybe take it away from some of the screen time that the villains got each episode in order to show more of his detective work processes. Absolutely, yeah, they could have 100%. The show hints that Bruce Wayne may be as insane as his villains, you know, focused less on justice and more on punishing criminals. As evidenced,

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when he lied to the police as a kid saying he didn't see the face of the man who killed his parents. Followed by him appearing in Alfred's room that night telling him that Gotham's criminals are all going to suffer. I was like, dang! Get this kid a therapist. Exactly. But I also liked that approach for the character. Like, Batman should be psychologically dark and traumatized. It was actually kind of fascinating to me that Bruce Wayne didn't blink once this entire show. Wait, what? Really? Yeah. Oh, creepy.

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Super, actually. Um, but I did like how this series showed that Bruce Wayne is doing something to help Gotham besides punish criminals though, like the new housing development just outside the city, you know, it kind of addresses the criticism that SNL made that he just beats up poor people. Now he comes into conflict with Alfred consistently throughout the show, calling him Pennyworth and talking back to him like a teenager would, Bruce is definitely an angry person in the show.

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But by the end of the season, he comes to realize how much Alfred means to him and refers to him as Alfred for the first time. Speaking of Alfred Pennyworth, he was voiced by Jason Watkins, who's a British television actor. I thought he did a great job acting as a demure Alfred, who seems to be guilt-driven in the series into being less of a father figure, as he's typically depicted, and more of an enabler, like he just can't say no to Bruce. It's a fresh take on Alfred.

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and not one that I hated by any means, because I can see it making sense for the character. And he was still a good man and a good example, ultimately, for Bruce. He was still trying to be as conscious. Alfred's always the one trying to pull back Batman from the brink of the abyss. But here, with how early Bruce Wayne started showing signs of psychosis, you would think that Alfred should have done a better job of getting this kid some help. Because he seemed afraid, honestly, of Bruce Wayne.

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Yeah. Right. I thought the same thing. Alright, tackling Commissioner James Gordon and Barbara Gordon simultaneously, they were voiced by Eric Morgan Stewart and Crystal Joy Brown respectively. Barbara Gordon was reimagined as a lawyer for this series, which I thought was a brilliant way to keep her story tied into her father's and Harvey Dent's. You know, Barbara is an idealist, which often brings her into conflict with Commissioner Gordon, who's more of a cynic, but one still trying to help the city. Together,

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They make a pretty great pair, I thought, and I can't wait to see how Barbara evolves into a costumed crime fighter like Batman. If they decide to go that route. Right. Yeah, they may not. Since this is still early days for Batman, he and Commissioner Gordon aren't allies at the start of the show. But as the season progresses, Commissioner Gordon realizes that Batman is trying to help, particularly when they worked together to save kids from a burning apartment building, which was one of my favorite episodes in the series.

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Yeah, I thought this is one of the most organic ways that I've seen them build up the Commissioner Gordon Batman relationship outside of like Batman Year One, which was a great story. Yeah. But like even in the Batman movie, Commissioner Gordon and Batman are already copacetic from the get go, right? Right. It's nice to have this long running narrative where you see that relationship of trust slowly develop. I thought it was really well done here. Yeah, I would say it was better done here than it was in, you know, even Batman Begins.

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much more organic, like you said. Moving on to the last character I'm going to go over, Renee Montoya. She was voiced by Michelle C. Bonilla. She does a lot of the heavy lifting when it comes to detective work for the GCPD. I actually really liked how good of a detective she was shown to be, you know, just by asking the right questions. She proves herself more and more as the season progresses, confirming the trust that Commissioner Gordon put on her to be a leader within the corrupt police department. I actually thought that by introducing her in the Clayface episode,

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that they were going to lead her into using some of the makeup putty to begin her like faceless career as the question, but that ended up not being the case. That would have been cool though. That would have been really cool.

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Moving on to the story highlights, episode 1 was titled In Treacherous Waters. Oswalda Cobblepot, owner and singer of the Iceberg Lounge, has been making a name for herself in Gotham City's criminal underworld as the Penguin while trying to eliminate her mob boss rival Rupert Thorne by destroying his organization's warehouses. However, Thorne survives with help from a leak in her circle. Believing it is her youngest son, Eren, Oswalda kills him. However, her eldest son, and the real source, Ronald,

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seeks out Gotham City's police department, Commissioner James Gordon, for protection. With help from Jim's daughter Barbara Gordon and a mysterious vigilante called the Batman, Ronald safely reaches the GCPD, but Aswalda launches a missile to destroy the police station. Unbeknownst to her, the station is evacuated before it is destroyed. Batman successfully captures Aswalda, but realizes later that in doing so, he left a power vacuum in Gotham's underworld for Thorne to fill.

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This was a great setup to the series, you know, with the whole power vacuum angle and the destruction of the GCPD headquarters. I mean, it wasn't too much of a issue in such like episodes, but I thought that it was a really good setup. For sure. Yeah, I thought this was a great episode, a great introduction to Batman when we first see him interrogating that guy over the train tracks. Oh, yeah. I thought it was a perfect Batman moment, honestly. And I thought to myself, is 1940s Batman peak Batman?

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when he's able to operate freely in this very pulpy style? Uh, you know, honestly, in my opinion, and this may be a controversial opinion, 1940s Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, that's all peak those characters. Really? Explain. I feel like those are like the truest essence of those characters. They kind of get muddled down by continuity and stuff in later decades. But if you go back to like the spirit of the characters as they were first conceived,

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I think that is the best version of them. I think you could say that for a lot of characters actually, even over at Marvel. As the years go on and the characters evolve over time, I think the expectation from a lot of fans is that they always still revert to their roots. And it's always nice when characters are brought back to what made them who they are. Yeah, I mean, DC characters are so pure in, you know, there's symbolism and their archetype that

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Things don't really make sense in a postmodern world. These characters come from a different era. And so you see comics like Watchmen kind of making fun of the very notion of the superhero. But back then, it made sense. The next episode was titled, And Be a Villain. GCPD detective Renee Montoya is assigned to locate missing actress Yvonne Francis. Following a failed interrogation of Bruce Wayne, she investigates the film studio.

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where she learns Francis's fellow actor Basil Carlo may have been lying about his alibi. However, he is seemingly murdered before she can confirm. Upon further investigation, she learns Carlo was ashamed of his face, which led him to be typecasted and Francis rejecting his advances. Ultimately, he used an experimental serum to make his face more malleable. Montoya and Batman eventually stumble across Carlo, who faked his death and kidnapped Francis out of a desire to play a villain for real.

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Montoya rescues Francis while Batman defeats Carlo and disappears before Montoya can apprehend him. Such a fantastic take on the character of Clayface. I feel like, you know, Clayface in recent years has really had an opportunity to shine in shows like Harley Quinn or Suicide Squad Isekai. But this is probably hands down my favorite version of the character. Taking like a Boris Karloff approach to Basil Carlo Clayface was pure genius.

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Well, that's really in keeping with his original story in the comic books, right? Very true. In the comics, Clayface wasn't like this huge turd monster. He was actually just a serial killer who disguised his face. This version of the character, I think, was the best of both worlds, though. For sure. It is weird, though, seeing this version of Clayface coming off of the back of Suicide Squad Isakai. Yeah. Who was a very, very different version of Clayface. Well, from any media, to be fair.

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It's just interesting, I guess, how adaptable the character can be, which I guess is not so surprising because he is clayface. He is adaptable, if anything. Episode 3 was titled, Kiss of the Catwoman. At a museum displaying Gotham's elite jewels, Bruce encounters an heiress named Selena Kyle, who has an interest in his late mother Martha Wayne's pearls. He is later ordered to attend a month of therapy with Dr. Harleen Quinzel after assaulting a patron who insulted his parents.

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Kyle resorts to jewel theft after being left in debt, adopting the Catwoman persona. After being caught and outed by Batman, she takes inspiration from him by upgrading her car and using gadgets before Gotham's District Attorney Harvey Dent bails her out, allowing her to resume her crime spree. Deducing Kyle will try and steal Martha's pearls, Bruce orders the museum to close early to luring Catwoman, who is eventually caught once more and left destitute upon learning her maid Greta.

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sold her belongings and refuses to bail her out. I loved Greta. I loved the idea of Catwoman having a butler like Alfred who's, you know, kind of petty. That was great. This was a fantastic episode. I really liked Christina Ricci's performance as Catwoman as well. The character design was very much in keeping with her first appearance in the comics and

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While there wasn't like enough romantic tension, I think, between the two, I still really liked the moments that they shared together. Now, it was actually the first appearance because the first appearance of Catwoman wore an actual like cat's furry face, but it was definitely inspired by early versions of the character. It's not a design that I love, but it works within this world. Right. Like it doesn't make sense for her to wear high heels and a dress. Right. Right. Or a cape. That's bizarre.

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I did like that she was very heavily inspired by Batman though. It was a great version of the character. Episode 4 was titled The Night of the Hunters. After Mayor Jessup orders the creation of a task force to apprehend Batman, Gordon chooses Montoya to run it. Using Dr. Quinzel's insights, corrupt GCPD detectives Harvey Bullock and Arnold Flass use a masked criminal called Firebug as bait to lure out Batman. As part of their plan, they let Firebug go to start a fire.

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Batman arrives to rescue civilians, evading corrupt SWAT officers led by Bullock and Flass in the process. As Bullock and Flass kill Firebug to cover their tracks, Batman reluctantly works with Jim, who disapproves of the task force's methods to save the remaining civilians. Afterward, Batman disappears once more. Bullock and Flass are hailed as heroes by Jessup and put in charge of the Batman task force with Jim narrowly keeping his job. I loved this episode.

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I thought it was a fantastic episode showing the corruption of the GCPD, which isn't explored enough in a lot of media, I feel like, but this show handled it perfectly. Oh yeah. Flash and Bullock were probably bigger bastards in this show than they've been in anything else I've ever seen them in. Yeah, they were big time jerks here. It was surprising to me how much this show could get away with. People were actually shot, killed and stuff like that. You couldn't get away with stuff like that in the 90s on television.

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But here it totally worked. It's much more mature. And I thought that made it a lot more interesting. Well, I realized that from the first episode when Oswaldo killed one of her sons and then like you saw his body as a skeleton coming out of the trunk later. That's right. Like this is pulpy as hell. And I'm here for it. Oh, totally. We've been going to episode five. It was titled The Stress of Her Regard. After several wealthy businessmen abruptly donate their fortunes to charity and go missing.

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Barbara suspects their physician and her friend, Dr. Quinzel, is involved. In reality, Quinzel has adopted the jester-like persona of Harley Quinn and is subjugating the businessman to immense torture in an attempt to correct their minds and behavior. Barbara and Batman track her to the basement of one of her patients, where the latter is overpowered and knocked unconscious before the house is rigged to detonate. Nonetheless, Batman recovers and saves Barbara, though he fails to save Quinzel from falling to her apparent death.

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Having survived, however, Quinzel calls Montoya to call off a date they had planned and tell her that she is temporarily leaving Gotham. Now, initially I was rejecting this take on Harley Quinn. Like, I somewhat liked the idea that she was the resident psychiatrist for the city as opposed to a doctor at Arkham Asylum. But I didn't like the idea of Harley Quinn not having the Joker. But by this episode, I was sold on the idea.

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The idea that the psychiatrist was going beyond helping people who were coming to her and torturing them was amazing. It was brilliant, I thought. And the fact that she kind of justified it and that they felt like they were kings and that she was bringing them down as the Jester, making them see the error of their ways was pretty damn good. It was solid as hell. As a concept, if you were ever going to do Harley Quinn without the Joker, this is exactly how you do it.

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This is how you get her motivations, her modus operandi. Everything about it was so interesting. We've seen lots of different versions of Harley Quinn by this point. But this version is something that I think even Kelly Kuoku's Harley Quinn could take notes from. Yeah. Because there's a lot to unpack here. And they only just scratch the surface of what this Harley Quinn could be in this show. I did hate the fact that Batman was essentially taken out by a dude in a diaper in this series. I was like, no way.

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That's not going to happen. That's dumb. But for the most part, I really liked this episode. The Lesbian Kiss kind of took me back, given the 1940s setting, 1950s setting, because it was done out in public. Right. That was just something I was like, OK, so apparently this Elseworld story was just a much more progressive reality for the time. It was one of the things that I think stood out in terms of all the progressive changes that they made for the show.

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Yeah, clearly. And again, something you definitely couldn't get away with on Saturday mornings, kids television when we were growing up. Right. Episode 6 was titled Night Ride. When a mysterious ghost on horseback emerges to rob Gotham's working class, Dent's mayoral election campaign is threatened due to the robberies happening on his watch. He is offered a donation from Thorne, but is hesitant to accept it. Meanwhile, Batman struggles to fight the ghost directly.

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Deducing that it is the spirit of Jim Craddock, the gambling addicted former owner of an old property that Bruce's friend Lucius Fox recently bought, he gains help from Linton Midnight, Papa Midnight, who advises him to sacrifice the old property's deed and the blood of a nobleman to draw out Craddock. Though Craddock possesses Batman's butler, Alfred Pennyworth, Batman completes the ritual using Alfred's blood and traps Craddock in a vial.

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He subsequently gives it to Midnight while Dent accepts Thorne's donation. It was really cool to see Papa Midnight in this episode. There are any number of magicians that could have been included in the show, and Papa Midnight would not have been near the top of my list of who would have shown up. But I thought it was really cool that he did. Yeah, in the 90s cartoon, we saw Jason Blood appear in the Batman series. And I think it was Dr. Fate who appeared in the Superman series. I thought it was going to be one of those. I was definitely surprised by Papa Midnight.

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but it was also really cool to see such an obscure character make an appearance in the show. Moving on to episode 7, titled Moving Target. Jim fears that someone put a bounty on his head after assassins such as Floyd Lawton and Anomatopeia come to Gotham, and the former almost succeeds at killing him. He reluctantly agrees to be escorted to a safe house at Wayne Gardens, but Anomatopeia's group finds them. Meanwhile, Batman learns the hit was placed by a Blackgate penitentiary inmate named Muller,

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and follows Jim's detail. Narrowly fending off the assassins, Berman reveals to Jim while getting the contract canceled, he discovered Barbara is the true target. Officer Jim Corrigan attempts to claim the bounty for himself, but is disarmed by Jim and arrested. Mueller later reveals he ordered the hit because he feels he deserves better prison accommodations. This was a fantastic episode, another one of my favorite episodes, very focused on-

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Jim Gordon and Barbara Gordon and their relationship, which I thought was great. I didn't love on a monopoeia here. He doesn't make sense to me as like a gang leader. He wouldn't be able to order anybody around. They would just see him as a joke. Exactly. His voice didn't work for me, too. Like it was too raspy and stuff like that. Like whenever I read on a monopoeia his voice in the books, I always thought of it as more like a Hannibal Lecter type voice. Yeah.

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something like James Spader's Ultron or something like that. But here he sounded like Bender from Futurama or something like that. It just did not work. I did think it was cool that they had Jim Corrigan on the GCPD. I was not expecting him. I actually thought he was going to die at the very end of this episode and somehow be reborn as the specter or something like that. That didn't happen. But you know, they're setting him up for something like that. Yeah. But what a guy who double crossed his own partner B1 that is.

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qualified to be God's divine wrath? Well, this isn't keeping with the character from the comics. Like, Jim Corrigan was an asshole in the comics. Really? Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Moving on to episode 8, titled Nocturne. Amidst a fundraiser carnival for Dent's campaign, multiple orphans are reported missing. Batman soon finds the culprit, Natalia Knight, the younger sister of inventor Anton Knight, who suffers from a mysterious ailment that can only be staved off by draining energy from people.

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which grants her enhanced strength. After falling out with and attacking Anton for his perceived controlling behavior, Natalia continues her attacks until she is intercepted by Batman. After making her realize she accidentally killed Anton, who begged Batman to stop her before he died, Batman takes Natalia to safety while her victims are taken to a hospital to recover. Meanwhile, Dent meets with Thorne to accept his donation, but refuses to accept his condition of dropping charges against Thorne's friend.

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retaliation, Thorin II throws a flask of acid at Dent's face. This is actually probably my least favorite episode. Really? Yeah, I felt like the whole thing kind of drug on. I didn't really care for the characters of Natalia and Anton Knight. They're known as the Knight Slayer and Nocturna in the comics. But I think I was most offended in this episode by how they treated the Robins. I was kind of hoping for a setup of Robin in this series.

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And I think this is a poor setup. Well, it seems like it's never going to happen, right? Right. We're never going to get a Robin in this series. When one of the boys referred to the other one as Dickie, I was like, oh, maybe this is Dick Grayson. I actually thought that maybe that was just a coincidence when I saw that Dick was captured and nearly drained of his life. But then it wasn't until they mentioned Steffi Brown that I realized what they were doing with the orphans. Oh, you didn't get it when you heard Jace for Jason? No, not even then.

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And then of course they had Kelly Kelly at the end with the slingshot. Right. That was obvious. Yeah, for sure. It was like a nice elseworlds homage. But yeah, it is disappointing that because of this seemingly clever nod to the comics that will actually never get a Robin for this series. Yeah, it's like either he's going to have five Robins at once or I imagine none at all. Did not like it. I was surprised we didn't get like Tim or Damien. I guess Damien would it make sense. But at least Tim. Actually, Damien.

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could make sense if they introduce Russell Gould and Talia in a subsequent season. And they just have Damian be his first Robin. Yeah, I guess they could go with that. Moving on to episode 9, The Killer Inside Me. In the aftermath of his assault, Dent loses his mayoral bid and is left with half of his face permanently scarred, which he grows insecure about. Bruce attempts to cheer him up with a night on the town, but a paranoid Dent has an outburst in a restaurant.

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Alfred scolds Bruce for his poor attempt at getting through to him. Craving justice against those who wronged him, Dent goes on a violent spree throughout Gotham, taking out several of Thorne's men, though Batman intervenes before he can hurt Thorne himself. Guilt-ridden, Dent snaps out of his rage and willingly goes to Arkham Asylum, where he discovers Barbara signed on to become his lawyer. I liked what they did with Harvey Dent for the most part throughout this season.

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I did think that his descent into madness was a little out of nowhere though. Like the voices in his head, they just seem to come along with the scarring of his face. Well, isn't that true to the story of the character? Like he doesn't begin his descent into madness until he's actually scarred. No, he essentially repressed a alternate personality as he was growing up, becoming a lawyer. Like in this show, he didn't really even depend on his old coin in the same way that he has in prior depictions.

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I don't know, it was just weird. I loved Diedrich Bader as the voice of Harvey Dent. I thought he sounded completely different from when he voices Batman in shows like Harley Quinn. But to me, this version of Harvey Dent is not as good as other depictions that we've seen in animated films like The Long Halloween or his live action appearance in The Dark Knight. He was just too smarmy as Harvey Dent. He wasn't the shining white knight.

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that he's typically depicted as prior to becoming Two-Face. I guess that makes sense. I thought it was really interesting how Bruce was essentially responsible for his descent into madness by forgetting to focus on the victim and having empathy for him. He had no empathy. He was just trying to get at the people who did it and in effect caused Harvey Dent to go on this crazy rampage. I didn't really get that. I didn't understand how taking him out to dinner caused him to have his episode.

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Bruce didn't know that was going to happen. I'm sure he had ulterior motives in doing that, but I also felt like it's also something a good friend might try doing. And I think Harvey even later on said that he understood what Bruce was trying to do while both of them were talking in Arkham Asylum. Which brings me to the final episode titled Savage Night. Barbara explains to Dent that she is willing to help him, insisting that he was led astray. Meanwhile, Thorn's men, Bullock and Flass, seek revenge on Dent.

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prompting Barbara and Batman to establish a form of contact between each other and join forces with each other, Jim and Montoya to protect him so he can testify in court. Amidst a fight at the docks, however, Dent sacrifices himself to save Barbara from Flass. Batman loses his temper and threatens to shoot Flass, but ultimately spares him. Following this, Alfred assures Batman that while he failed to reach Dent's humanity, Batman still has his.

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A mysterious man kills a series of victims with a toxin that makes them laugh uncontrollably. Great final episode. I really liked the pacing of it. It's mostly a chase scene between the good guys and the bad guys. Yeah, yeah. The finale at the docks was really well done and even surprising at the very end when Batman holds a gun up to flash and shoots around his head. Although 100% doing permanent ear damage as well, I'm pretty sure. That's fine. He doesn't have a problem with that.

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No, he doesn't. In fact, if anything, it was showed that Batman was such a badass with a gun and he has still refused to do it out of hatred for the weapon. I thought that was an interesting insight to his character actually that he took the time to understand this weapon that he despises. Yeah, that was interesting. I always kind of assumed that Batman really didn't even know how to use a gun. You know, he just hated them so much. So yeah, again, this was pretty shocking. Even more shocking than that was actually Harvey Dent's death.

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in this season, in this series, sacrificing himself to save Barbara. The whole is he good, is he bad approach to Harvey Dent in this season was really well done. I thought because, you know, the last episode, we saw him essentially go on a murder spree. But in this episode, to see him sacrifice himself for Barbara Gordon, I thought was extremely heroic and definitely redeeming for the character. Like you were sad to see him go. Do you think they have shot themselves in the foot in terms of the potential?

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two-faced stories they could have told in the future? Potentially, but outside of the fall of Harvey Dent, there's not too many great two-faced stories that you could tell, so maybe it's for the best. Maybe use this as a way to fuel and motivate Batman going forward, the fact that he remembers his friend Harvey Dent. But that does it for season one of Batman the Caped Crusader. Overall, I thought it was a mature and intriguing reimagining of the 90s animated series.

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featuring new and modern interpretations of classic characters within a retro noir framework. Not every interpretation is successful and it would have been nice to see Batman a little bit more than we did. But overall, I definitely recommend the series, especially for the people who are behind it. I'm giving it 4 out of 5 stars, a fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes. I would agree. I think the setup and the premise of the series is better than the execution for the most part.

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Don't get me wrong, it was a really good show. It was enjoyable and I would recommend it to any fan of Batman and any fan of Batman the animated series. But it does feel like for some episodes, they squandered their potential. Even though I had a really good time with the series and I'm really looking forward to where they take it in the future. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'm not sure if they're doing a season two, but I really hope they are. I would love to see it. But that does it for this review. AJ 9K, help close this out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic Jewel.

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In our next episode, we will be doing a duel between Kite Man and Stilt Man. Both of whom are kind of ridiculous villains in concept. It's going to be a lot of fun, though. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to the episode. But that does it for this episode. We want to give a big thanks to our executive producers, Ken Johnson, John Strosky, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe, Miggie Mathing-Geehan, Brandon Nestregard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton, Austin Wazilowski, AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew Shunk.

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