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This is a DynaMic Network podcast.
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Welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly
show where we review superhero films and debate
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the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing
their characters in stat-based battle simulations.
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I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous
Joe. And in this episode, we are reviewing
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the Amazon exclusive animated series, Batman
Caped Crusader. It was developed by Bruce Timm,
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the very same Bruce Timm that created the Batman
cartoon series from the 90s that we all know
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and love. Yeah, Jonathan and I are still in
what we call review hell because DC decided
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to release a whole lot of summer projects within
the same like four week time span. Just bear
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with us. We're almost through to the end, I
think with the Joker Follyado movie. Yeah,
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see this kind of like, you know, Dante's Inferno
coming out through Paradiso and the Joker Follyado
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film is Paradiso because it's gonna be so damn
good. Have you seen the reviews of it so far?
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I don't trust those Rotten Tomatoes critics.
Those guys are assholes. Anyway, before we
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get into our review of Batman Caves Crusader,
we're going to break down the comic book movie
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news from the past week, including the Venom,
The Last Dance final trailer and the news that
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Destin Daniel Crichton is in talks to direct
Spider-Man 4. As always, we list our segment
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times in our episode description, so feel free
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Guys, be sure to tune into the other shows on
the DynaMic Podcast Network this week, including
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Max Destruction, which pits your favorite action
heroes from film and television against each
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other. This week, hosts Scotty and Gilly are
reviewing Terminator 2, Judgement Day. Great
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film. One of the best films of all time. On
the Senjoworld podcast, host Zachary Hepburn
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speculates on fights between fan favorite anime
and manga characters. This Thursday, Zach will
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be fighting out who would win between Jotaro
from Jojo's Bizarre against Joker from Persona
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5. That's a big one. On the Console Combat Podcast
hosts John and Dean simulate battles between
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popular video game characters, and yesterday's
episode, they reviewed the Borderlands film.
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Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link
in our show notes to listen to all of the shows
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in the DynaMic Podcast Network. But with that
out of the way, quick to the No Prize! A No
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Prize is an award Marvel used to give out to
fans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize,
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is a digital award we post on Instagram for
the person that we feel gave the best answer
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to our question of the week. Last week we asked,
who would you cast as Richard Ryder in the
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Nova series and Hal Jordan and Jon Stewart in
the Lantern series? And we got a whole lot
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of answers. Let's go ahead and run down our
honorable mentions as well as the No Prize
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winner. Our first honorable mention goes to
Jose Marcial, who said, For Hal Jordan, I would
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cast Josh Brolin since how Jordan is supposed
to be older and more gruff in this version.
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And for Jon Stewart, I would cast David Johnson.
He played Andy in Alien Romulus. He's like
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best part of that movie and he's a really good
actor just from that role alone. And what was
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that other part of the question? So this may
have been recorded before we received news
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that Josh Brolin has actually withdrawn his
name. from the running for the character of
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Hal Jordan. So, you know, that's not gonna happen,
although it wouldn't have been a terrible choice.
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As far as David Johnson goes, I have not seen
Alien Romulus, but I've heard amazing things
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about the movie and his performance in particular.
So this answer gets me pretty excited. Yeah,
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I was waiting to see Alien Romulus until I saw
Alien Covenant, because I haven't seen that
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yet either. But I am super excited to see Alien
Romulus. It looks really damn good. Of course,
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Jose did not get to an answer for Nova because
no one cares. Nobody got time for a Nova answer.
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Actually, a lot of the callers this week didn't
answer the full question with all three characters,
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Jon Stewart, Hal Jordan, and Richard Ryder.
Only a few of them did, but not our next honorable
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mention, Miggy Mathingian, who said, Hey, what's
up guys, this is Miggy. And even though it
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might be confusing for general audiences, from
the short list, I would pick Chris Pine to
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play Hal Jordan. And then the Hollywood Reporter
said that they would want a newer actor, younger
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actor to play John Stewart. So I would go with
Malachi Kirby. Even though I haven't seen him
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play in anything, I've seen that he is like
an award winning actor. So, and I think he's
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like a lesser known name. So yeah, Chris Pine
and Malachi Kirby. Yeah. Miggi's concern is
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that audiences might find it confusing to see
Chris Pine as Hal Jordan, considering he was
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very prominently Steve Trevor. in the Wonder
Woman films. That said, I think he would make
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a great, damn near perfect Hal Jordan. The guy
is a great actor, and you know, we've already
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seen that he could pull off the role of brave
pilot. Yeah, I'm not sure how his role as Hal
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Jordan would differ too much from Steve Trevor
from the Wonder Woman films, but I really like
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the answer of Malachi Kirby as Jon Stewart.
In fact, I'm going to say don't get him for
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Jon Stewart and let's get him for the next Black
Panther. Because... Dude could totally nail
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that role. Well too bad, cause Team DC already
called dibs. Great answer, Miggy. Our next
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honorable mention goes to Daniel Alonso, who
said, All right, I'm going to start making
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an effort to send a message in every week because
y'all's new stuff is also great. So I'm gonna
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start off with a co-co-combo and answer last
week's. My favorite episode is Hit Monkey versus
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Gleek, funniest shit so far. Casting for Hal
Jordan, I would go with Bradley Cooper. for
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Richard Rider, I would do Liam Hemsworth. And
bonus, I would have cast Michael Fassbender
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as Dr. Doom. I believe he could have brought
the gravitas that the role needed. All right,
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yeah, Daniel gave a few more answers than we
asked. He also answered last week's question
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of, what's your favorite episode of Dynamic
Duel? Thank you for doing that. I really like
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his answer of Bradley Cooper for Hal Jordan,
though. Yeah, absolutely. I've always wanted
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to see Bradley Cooper take on a superhero role,
and... To me, Hal Jordan makes the most sense
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for him. I know he's an actor who really likes
to stretch his craft, so I'm not sure how attracted
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to that role he would be, but he would be amazing
in it, absolutely. He would actually be my
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number one pick, I think. My number one dream
casting, for sure. And Liam Hemsworth for Richard
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Ryder, I can see it working, you know, he looks
awful lot like his brother Chris Hemsworth,
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who plays Thor, but I don't think that's too
big of an issue, they can make their Richard
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Ryder look a little bit different by dying his
hair or something. I don't know. but he definitely
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looks like Richard Ryder. So yeah, it could
totally work. Yeah, I mean, as long as you
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keep Thor with a beard and Richard Ryder without
a beard, it's fine. It works out. Yeah, I don't
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think you could pull off the Nova helmet with
a beard. I don't think, which makes me sad
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because now I feel like I can never be Nova.
You never could. We're gonna give a special
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thanks to Mason Thompson and Scott Camacho for
calling in and leaving their answers. Scotty.
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your idea of casting Robert Downey Jr. as Richard
Ryder was hilarious. I laughed my ass off.
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But the winner of this week's No Prize is Cyrus
Moore, who said, Hey guys, Cyrus Moore here.
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So the perfect DC lanterns casting for Hal Jordan
is Bradley Cooper, Shamar Moore for Jon Stewart,
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and I don't really know the Nova Corps very
well, but I feel like Logan Lerman from The
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Maze Runner would make a pretty good Nova Corps
member for Richard Ryder. But yeah, Bradley
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Cooper and Shamar Moore would be perfect choices
to be lanterns. Thank you guys. Yeah, again,
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Bradley Cooper as Hal Jordan is the best possible
outcome. Shamar Moore would actually make a
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perfect Jon Stewart if he was younger, I think.
Shamar Moore, I think, has aged out of that
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role. But considering he had a long running
role on the show, Criminal Minds. where he's
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kind of done this whole true detective style
thing, which is what the lantern show is being
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compared to. Yeah, he would be great. And then
Logan Lerman as Richard Ryder. I actually like
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this casting the best. Logan Lerman was actually
not in the Maze Runner movie. That was Daniel
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O'Brien. Logan Lerman was Percy Jackson. He
was in those films. But I remember his name
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was tossed around for Spider-Man back when they
were casting for Spider-Man Homecoming and
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Tom Holland ended up getting the role. But I
think that Logan Lerman definitely looks like
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Richard Rider from the comics and could totally
pull it off. And the guy could act as well,
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like I remember seeing him in the Noah movie.
And he did a fantastic job. But great answer,
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Cyrus Moore, you win this week's No Prize. If
you the listener want a shot at winning your
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own No Prize, stay tuned to later on in this
episode when we'll be asking another question
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of the week. And now that that's done, onto
the news!
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This past week we got the final trailer for
the Venom, the last dance movie that's coming
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out in October. It is the second major trailer
that we've gotten for this film. And I have
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to say that actually this trailer impressed
me a whole lot more than the first one. I think
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the first one I was being really whiny about
it because I hate the title of the film and
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we weren't quite sure what was going on with
the story. But you throw null in there and
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you got me hooked my friend. As soon as I saw
that the main bad guy of this movie was not
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going to be Chiwetel Isheophore's Orwell Taylor,
and that it was going to be null, I was blown
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away. That was the best case scenario. Yeah,
all of a sudden the movie seems almost worth
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it. I'm not going to lie. I actually enjoyed
this trailer. Like I did not expect to, but
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I don't know what it was. Just I don't know
the music and just the relationship between
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the two characters. I just found it charming.
I'm trying really hard not to get excited.
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at all for this movie because I don't want to
be let down considering it's Sony who's making
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the film. But this was a good trailer. Well,
we can all agree that Venom Let There Be Carnage
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sucked balls, right? It really sucked. The first
Venom movie was not great, but it was novel
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for the way it portrayed the Eddie Brock Venom
relationship. The relationship between those
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two characters is the best thing about this
entire franchise. And the way the third trailer
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really sold the perhaps culmination of that
relationship I thought was really enticing.
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I want to see how this story might end, if it
does. I mean, like, both of the trailers that
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came out for this film have heavily alluded
to the idea of Eddie Brock or Venom sacrificing
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themselves for the other. I'm totally not sold
that that's gonna happen, but it's possible.
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You know, Tom Hardy may in fact want to pull
a Logan and go out in style, you know, but
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I'm still really hoping that somehow... Venom
ends up in a Spider-Man movie or vice versa.
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And, you know, not counting the stupid post
credit stuff from No Way Home. But yeah, Null
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is going to be in this film. And for those of
you who may not know who he is, he is the primordial
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deity who created the symbiotes. And he is a
total badass. He was the main villain in the
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King and Black storyline from the comics, which
was a great run. It was a great story. I highly
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suggest reading it. But he's a badass like.
on the same level as Thanos. Like it took every
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single Marvel hero on Earth to defeat this guy.
So it'll be interesting to see him going up
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against Venom in this film. Apparently he is
the one that the symbiotes that came to Earth
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in the first movie were escaping from and he
is the one who sends the xenophages down to
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Earth. Those are the creatures that attack Venom
on the plane at the beginning of this trailer.
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But does Null ever come to Earth in the comics?
He does, yeah, but they're probably going to
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have to nerf him a little bit. because he's
insanely powerful. Like he could kill Celestials,
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if you guys remember Celestials from the Eternals
movie. And here he's only going up against
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Venom. So they're probably gonna have to nerf
him, which is a shame, but just to see him
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on screen will be worth it, I think. We don't
know who's playing Null as of yet. There are
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some rumors going around that maybe Reese Ifans
is gonna play him. And we do see Reese later
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on in this trailer, which is super confusing
because the actor played Kurt Connors, the
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Lizard. in the amazing Spider-Man franchise.
So it's weird to see him in this movie. Yeah,
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considering that Reese Ifans was recently seen
in a MCU Spider-Man movie, I doubt that's the
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actor that's playing Null. Yeah. A lot of this
movie takes place in Las Vegas. I bet you that's
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where the climax of the film is going to be.
And there's this weird scene where Eddie and
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Venom steal a disguise from some guy wearing
a suit. I don't know what's going on here in
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the scene. It almost looks like Eddie pees on
him before Venom slaps the shit out of him.
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The guy pees on Eddie. Is that what happens?
Yeah. Who the hell does that? That's so fucking
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weird. I hate that. Right. But also I hate it
because Venom can change his appearance to
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match other clothing anyway. So why do they
need to steal this guy's clothes? Doesn't make
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sense. Maybe they just stole a key or something
like that. There was a whole section here where
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Venom is gambling and discovers the joys of.
gambling and the addictive quality to it that
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I didn't need in a trailer. We'll say that could
have been a funny and I put funny in quotes,
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gag for the movie. Didn't need to be in the
trailer. Just wasted time. No, it was dumb.
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I never related to that feeling to begin with.
Anytime I put money in a slot machine, it just
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goes right away. And I'm like, Oh, this is like,
fuck. But no, I mean, the film, I think shows
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promise the inclusion of Null, the relationship
between Eddie and Venom. I think that all looks
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fantastic. Those things alone are propping up
my expectations for this film. I'm hoping at
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least it'll be better than Venom Let There Be
Carnage, and I'm hoping it's as good as the
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first Venom film. But we'll find out in just
over a month when this movie comes out on October
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25th. But with this trailer teasing that this
may be the last appearance of Venom, that brings
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us to our question of the week.
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speaking of the Sony Spider-Man universe, we
also learned this past week that Destin Daniel
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Cretton is in talks to direct Spider-Man 4.
Now Destin Daniel Cretton is the director behind
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the Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
film and the upcoming Wonder Man series. And
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Marvel loves this guy. He's a fantastic director.
I really loved the Shang-Chi film. And I'm
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actually really excited about this news because
I think he can knock Spider-Man 4 out of the
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park. The one downside to this is that it means
that a Shang-Chi sequel is likely going to
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be put on a back burner, which breaks my heart
because that franchise deserves better. Yeah,
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I'm actually really surprised we haven't received
a Shang-Chi sequel yet. I am happy for Destin
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Daniel Cretton though, considering the fact
that he was kicked off the upcoming Avengers
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movie. This is not a terrible consolation. No,
you're absolutely right. Now- Shang-Chi the
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character was rumored to play a heavy part in
the King Dynasty film back when that was a
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thing. Ever since the conviction of Jonathan
Majors and his subsequent firing from Marvel
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Studios, you know, they had to rework Avengers
the King Dynasty into Avengers Doomsday. And
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it's not quite sure if Shang-Chi is still going
to play a prominent role within that film because
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Destin Daniel Cretton was originally attached
to direct the King Dynasty and it was stated
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that the film was going to be a quasi-sequel
for Shang-Chi, which is why they hadn't made
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a whole lot of movement on a Shang-Chi sequel.
So now, because reports are saying that the
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Spider-Man movie is being fast-tracked, like
they're hoping to write the film and start
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shooting it as early as next year, Destin Daniel
Cran is not going to be able to get to Shang-Chi
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for a while. My hope is that maybe they'll be
able to squeeze Shang-Chi into the Spider-Man
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4 film. since those characters have teamed up
in the comics before, and since the MCU Spider-Man
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franchise has often included cameos from other
MCU heroes, such as Iron Man in Homecoming,
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Nick Fury in Far From Home, and Doctor Strange
in No Way Home. Yeah, that'd be cool to get
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like a different cameo for each Spider-Man movie,
I like that. Yeah, the Spider-Man movies could
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almost be treated like the Marvel team-up comic
book series, which Spider-Man was often the
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star teaming up with other. lesser known characters.
One of our executive producers, Devin Davis,
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had the idea that Spider-Man 4 would largely
focus on the Black Cat storyline since reports
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are also saying that Zendaya is not going to
have a huge role in Spider-Man 4, which makes
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sense considering where they left the franchise
off in No Way Home. And I think introducing
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Black Cat is the next logical step for the franchise.
Devin Davis suggested that could mean that
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she's working for Kingpin and then you could
have Daredevil be the superhero team up and
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I think I like that idea even more. So everything's
just looking bad for Shang-Chi. I feel bad
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for the actor Simu Liu because he was a great
Shang-Chi and I feel like he deserves better
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than this deal that he's getting. Maybe by the
time they do make a Shang-Chi sequel, China
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will have calmed the F down and let that film
be released in their country. We'll see. One
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can only hope.
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That is it for all the news for this week, now
let's move on to the main event of this episode
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when we review the Amazon exclusive DC animated
series, Batman Caped Crusader Season 1.
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Okay, Batman Kid Crusader is a new animated
series developed by Bruce Timm and produced
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by J.J. Abrams and Matt Reeves. It is a reimagining
of sorts of Bruce Timm's beloved animated series
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that us 90s kids used to watch every day after
school and on Saturday mornings. This series,
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however, is unhindered by concerns over network
marketability, allowing for a more mature psychological
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and progressive take. on the familiar characters
within the Batman mythos. And while I'd hesitate
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to say it's an improvement upon the 90s series
in the same way that the recent X-Men 97 series
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was over that childhood favorite, Caped Crusader's
retro aesthetics and intriguing interpretations
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do make it a worthwhile and standout addition
to Batman's vast library of animated content.
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Since the primary appeal of the series really
is how it interprets its characters, If you
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haven't seen the show and want to avoid spoilers,
stop listening now. Watch the show, then come
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back and listen to our thoughts because we will
be delving into spoilers. Yeah, anyone who
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was a fan of the 90s Batman, the animated series
cartoon, I think owes it to themselves to check
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this show out. But I think it goes even harder
into the hardboiled elements of the Batman
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comics when they first came out. Oh absolutely,
for sure. It's much more in that classic noir
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style. It's very hard boiled, very stripped
down, very classic Batman, which is nice. Now
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I wouldn't say this is a must-see Batman series
though. The main appeal of it isn't necessarily
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Batman, but the creators behind the show. From
Bruce Timm's classic design and strong storytelling
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sense, to J.J. Abrams' talent for bringing new
life to established properties, to Matt Reeves'
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gritty and realistic understanding of the character
evidenced in his 2022 film, The Batman, to
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the involvement of some of the comic industry's
best writers in Ed Brubaker and Greg Rucka.
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Fans knew this was going to be something special,
going all the way back to 2014's Strange Days
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animated short that Bruce Timm made for Batman's
75th anniversary, which served as a launchpad
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for this series' visual aesthetic. Can I just
say that when I saw the names behind the show,
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because I had no idea, right? I knew that Bruce
Timm was behind the show, but I didn't know
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that Matt Reeves was producing. I think I knew
that JJ Abrams was producing, but that's still
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a huge name to see for this cartoon. And then
all of a sudden I saw Ed Brubaker and Greg
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Rucka, and I'm like, what the fuck is this?
Is this gonna be the best show of all time?
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Right? Man, I was truly impressed by the names
behind this series. 110%. I'd go so far as
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to say that between the creators involved and
the success of X-Men 97 and my excitement over
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the show's mid-20th century design approach,
I thought this show was going to be the ultimate
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Batman series, and this is probably a solid
example of why you should temper your expectations
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going into any project involving a character
that's near and dear to your heart. It was
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just so d- different, not in a bad way, just
a mildly unsatisfactory way. A way I should
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have seen coming when they started revealing
things like their new take on Harley Quinn.
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I didn't realize this show was going to be as
Elseworlds, for lack of a better word, as it
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was. Yeah, they changed a lot of things, right?
For better or for worse, I didn't mind a lot
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of the changes they had here, but I think we
could both agree that they fucked up the Penguin.
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You know, honestly? I did not hate their take
on the penguin. I thought I was going to. Some
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of the new takes that they did on the characters
that could be considered controversial because
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they race bent or gender bent the characters
like Barbara Gordon or the penguin, I didn't
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mind. I was surprised I didn't hate Oswalda
the female penguin because it was well done,
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I thought. That question of why was pretty much
cast aside once I understood the Elseworlds
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vibe of the show. I tend to be a little bit
more forgiving of how characters are handled.
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and else world stories like the doom that came
to Gotham or Red Sun, because I understand
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it's what if type nature. As a general rule,
I don't mind race bending or gender bending
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as long as, you know, they're true to the character.
But Oswalda Cobblepot was nothing like the
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Penguin as any of us know. It was almost an
entirely different character. She was like
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a big mama type mobster. Yeah, I've never seen
the Penguin do a song and dance number at the
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Iceberg Lounge. That was pretty wild. Cabaret
number. Oh, God. I bleach. But you know, expectations
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aside, I thought the show did a terrific job
at for the most part reintroducing us to familiar
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characters episode by episode. I was 100% tuned
in to each episode and eager for the next one
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in the same way I used to be watching the 90s
cartoon as a kid. I love film noir detective
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stories. I love mid 20th century design. I love
dark psychological examinations of characters.
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So yeah, this show hooked me. I watched the
entire thing in less than 24 hours. And like
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I said, I like what they did with a lot of the
characters. Not all of it worked like I would
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say on Amada Pia or the Robin characters, but
a lot of them like Clayface or Nocturna or
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the Gentleman Ghost felt like they came straight
out of a Tales from the Crypt horror-esque
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Elseworlds version of the DC universe. And keeping
your eye out for obscure cameos from characters
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like Jim Corrigan or Floyd
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for sure. I really liked the anthological take
on this. While the series wasn't entirely anthological
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because you had the Harvey Dent through line,
a lot of these episodes were one-offs. Yeah,
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that's one thing I really liked about the old
90s cartoon was its anthological nature. For
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the most part, every episode Batman would tackle
a new villain or a new conflict that would
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get wrapped up by the end of the episode. And
while this series did have some overarching
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conflicts, It was more anthological than many
current shows. I'll always argue that long-form
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storytelling is superior, and one of the reasons
I love the serialized nature of comic books.
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But there's something to be said for short,
quick stories as well. And this show definitely
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satisfied a nostalgic itch that I hadn't realized
I had. I mentioned that it was kind of fun
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looking out for obscure characters in this season.
That said, I would have much rather seen new
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takes on less obscure characters because...
I feel like those are kind of easy. I was much
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more impressed by this new take on Harley Quinn
than I was on, say, Gentleman Ghost. I think
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it would have been much more of a challenge
to come up with psychological rich takes on
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characters like Poison Ivy or Mr. Freeze. So
I'm looking forward to seeing them in subsequent
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seasons, if they make them, you know, along
with the Joker, who at the end of this season
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was teased in a man- manner, which...
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Yes, please. Back when Batman Begins came out,
which was a much more grounded, gritty take
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on the character in a way that audiences weren't
used to seeing because we were used to like
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the Schumacher films and stuff like that. Grounding
things in reality kind of became popular for
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a while. The ideas were if you take the character
and you remove the fantastical elements and
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imagine what it would be like if this thing
actually existed in reality, that's what they
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did on this Caped Crusader show for the most
part. minus the supernatural episodes with
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the gentlemen ghost and the carnival and things
like that. It was really cool to see those
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ideas take shape in a more grounded, gritty
way. Because it totally fits the world of Batman.
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And yeah, I would love to see how they would
approach more fantastical characters like Poison
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Ivy, like Mr. Freeze. I think that would be
really neat. Yeah, I really hope they do more
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seasons of this show because that would be amazing
to see. Now listeners of this podcast may have
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heard me complain about Bruce Tim's figure design.
I praised the Tomorrowverse for moving away
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from that Bruce Tim style and showing us something
less templated than decades past. This show
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moves back toward that style, though it does
mix it up a little bit more than in the past.
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I actually didn't need chunkier versions of
characters like Renee Montoya or Harley Quinn.
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It literally looked like they just took the
female character model and increased the width.
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Yeah, in a nostalgic way. But, you know, everything
just felt a little bit cleaner and more varied
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and a little bit more modern, too. I would definitely
agree that it looked cleaner. I thought it
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actually looked a little bit older in terms
of the design than the 90s series. Like the
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90s series had much more streamlined buildings,
I felt. And this one was a little bit more
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vintage, I would say. Honestly, you know, I'm
spoiled after Suicide Squad, Isekai. Again,
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as we mentioned in that review, that was probably
the best animated work out of any animated
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DC project ever. So to go from that to this
was like, oh, more Bruce Tim. Yay. But I've
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mentioned characters a lot. Let's go ahead and
move into our character breakdown, starting
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with Batman Bruce Wayne. He was voiced by Hamish
Linklater, known for his work on the new adventures
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of Old Christine, Legion, Midnight Mass and
Manhunt. Don't think the dichotomy between
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his Bruce Wayne and Batman voice was as successful
as Kevin Conroy. I didn't think it was terrible
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either. His Batman voice sounded to me like
a mixture between Kevin Conroy's authoritative
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approach and Christian Bale's growl. He did
a fantastic job. Now, most Batman animated
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voice actors are largely doing a Kevin Conroy
impression and this is no exception. I do think
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to that end, I... prefer other animated voices
like what Jensen Ackles did in the Tomorrowverse.
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Yeah, I would agree. But this was entirely passable.
I was impressed by the job that Hamish Linklater
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was able to do. I'd say like after Conroy, he's
my third or fourth favorite Batman voice. Yeah,
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that sounds about right. I do think that Hamish
Linklater would make a fantastic live-action
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Batman, considering the guy's a pretty good
actor. I would have much rather seen him as
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Bruce Wayne than fucking Ian Glenn in the Titan
series. Hahaha, yeah. It's occasionally a challenge
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for writers to make Batman stand out against,
arguably, literature's most intriguing and
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colorful rogues gallery. This series definitely
suffers on that front. I felt like Batman actually
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got less screen time in each episode than I
thought he would, though honestly, maybe about
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the same amount as the 90s cartoon. I'm not
100% on that. When he did appear though, they
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made the most of his appearances, as stripped
down as the character was for the show. He
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wasn't big on martial arts, but he had a fair
number of gadgets and it was a decent showcase
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for his detective work. Well, I feel like they
could have maybe take it away from some of
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the screen time that the villains got each episode
in order to show more of his detective work
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processes. Absolutely, yeah, they could have
100%. The show hints that Bruce Wayne may be
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as insane as his villains, you know, focused
less on justice and more on punishing criminals.
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As evidenced, when he lied to the police as
a kid saying he didn't see the face of the
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man who killed his parents. Followed by him
appearing in Alfred's room that night telling
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him that Gotham's criminals are all going to
suffer. I was like, dang! Get this kid a therapist.
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Exactly. But I also liked that approach for
the character. Like, Batman should be psychologically
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dark and traumatized. It was actually kind of
fascinating to me that Bruce Wayne didn't blink
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once this entire show. Wait, what? Really? Yeah.
Oh, creepy. Super, actually. Um, but I did
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like how this series showed that Bruce Wayne
is doing something to help Gotham besides punish
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criminals though, like the new housing development
just outside the city, you know, it kind of
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addresses the criticism that SNL made that he
just beats up poor people. Now he comes into
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conflict with Alfred consistently throughout
the show, calling him Pennyworth and talking
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back to him like a teenager would, Bruce is
definitely an angry person in the show. But
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by the end of the season, he comes to realize
how much Alfred means to him and refers to
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him as Alfred for the first time. Speaking of
Alfred Pennyworth, he was voiced by Jason Watkins,
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who's a British television actor. I thought
he did a great job acting as a demure Alfred,
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who seems to be guilt-driven in the series into
being less of a father figure, as he's typically
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depicted, and more of an enabler, like he just
can't say no to Bruce. It's a fresh take on
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Alfred. and not one that I hated by any means,
because I can see it making sense for the character.
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And he was still a good man and a good example,
ultimately, for Bruce. He was still trying
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to be as conscious. Alfred's always the one
trying to pull back Batman from the brink of
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the abyss. But here, with how early Bruce Wayne
started showing signs of psychosis, you would
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think that Alfred should have done a better
job of getting this kid some help. Because
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he seemed afraid, honestly, of Bruce Wayne.
Yeah. Right. I thought the same thing. Alright,
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tackling Commissioner James Gordon and Barbara
Gordon simultaneously, they were voiced by
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Eric Morgan Stewart and Crystal Joy Brown respectively.
Barbara Gordon was reimagined as a lawyer for
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this series, which I thought was a brilliant
way to keep her story tied into her father's
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and Harvey Dent's. You know, Barbara is an idealist,
which often brings her into conflict with Commissioner
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Gordon, who's more of a cynic, but one still
trying to help the city. Together, They make
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a pretty great pair, I thought, and I can't
wait to see how Barbara evolves into a costumed
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crime fighter like Batman. If they decide to
go that route. Right. Yeah, they may not. Since
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this is still early days for Batman, he and
Commissioner Gordon aren't allies at the start
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of the show. But as the season progresses, Commissioner
Gordon realizes that Batman is trying to help,
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particularly when they worked together to save
kids from a burning apartment building, which
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was one of my favorite episodes in the series.
Yeah, I thought this is one of the most organic
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ways that I've seen them build up the Commissioner
Gordon Batman relationship outside of like
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Batman Year One, which was a great story. Yeah.
But like even in the Batman movie, Commissioner
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Gordon and Batman are already copacetic from
the get go, right? Right. It's nice to have
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this long running narrative where you see that
relationship of trust slowly develop. I thought
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it was really well done here. Yeah, I would
say it was better done here than it was in,
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you know, even Batman Begins. much more organic,
like you said. Moving on to the last character
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I'm going to go over, Renee Montoya. She was
voiced by Michelle C. Bonilla. She does a lot
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of the heavy lifting when it comes to detective
work for the GCPD. I actually really liked
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how good of a detective she was shown to be,
you know, just by asking the right questions.
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She proves herself more and more as the season
progresses, confirming the trust that Commissioner
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Gordon put on her to be a leader within the
corrupt police department. I actually thought
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that by introducing her in the Clayface episode,
that they were going to lead her into using
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some of the makeup putty to begin her like faceless
career as the question, but that ended up not
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being the case. That would have been cool though.
That would have been really cool.
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Moving on to the story highlights, episode 1
was titled In Treacherous Waters. Oswalda Cobblepot,
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owner and singer of the Iceberg Lounge, has
been making a name for herself in Gotham City's
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criminal underworld as the Penguin while trying
to eliminate her mob boss rival Rupert Thorne
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by destroying his organization's warehouses.
However, Thorne survives with help from a leak
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in her circle. Believing it is her youngest
son, Eren, Oswalda kills him. However, her
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eldest son, and the real source, Ronald, seeks
out Gotham City's police department, Commissioner
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James Gordon, for protection. With help from
Jim's daughter Barbara Gordon and a mysterious
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vigilante called the Batman, Ronald safely reaches
the GCPD, but Aswalda launches a missile to
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destroy the police station. Unbeknownst to her,
the station is evacuated before it is destroyed.
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Batman successfully captures Aswalda, but realizes
later that in doing so, he left a power vacuum
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in Gotham's underworld for Thorne to fill. This
was a great setup to the series, you know,
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with the whole power vacuum angle and the destruction
of the GCPD headquarters. I mean, it wasn't
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too much of a issue in such like episodes, but
I thought that it was a really good setup.
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For sure. Yeah, I thought this was a great episode,
a great introduction to Batman when we first
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see him interrogating that guy over the train
tracks. Oh, yeah. I thought it was a perfect
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Batman moment, honestly. And I thought to myself,
is 1940s Batman peak Batman? when he's able
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to operate freely in this very pulpy style?
Uh, you know, honestly, in my opinion, and
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this may be a controversial opinion, 1940s Batman,
Superman, Wonder Woman, that's all peak those
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characters. Really? Explain. I feel like those
are like the truest essence of those characters.
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They kind of get muddled down by continuity
and stuff in later decades. But if you go back
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to like the spirit of the characters as they
were first conceived, I think that is the best
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version of them. I think you could say that
for a lot of characters actually, even over
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at Marvel. As the years go on and the characters
evolve over time, I think the expectation from
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a lot of fans is that they always still revert
to their roots. And it's always nice when characters
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are brought back to what made them who they
are. Yeah, I mean, DC characters are so pure
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in, you know, there's symbolism and their archetype
that Things don't really make sense in a postmodern
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world. These characters come from a different
era. And so you see comics like Watchmen kind
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of making fun of the very notion of the superhero.
But back then, it made sense. The next episode
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was titled, And Be a Villain. GCPD detective
Renee Montoya is assigned to locate missing
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actress Yvonne Francis. Following a failed interrogation
of Bruce Wayne, she investigates the film studio.
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where she learns Francis's fellow actor Basil
Carlo may have been lying about his alibi.
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However, he is seemingly murdered before she
can confirm. Upon further investigation, she
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learns Carlo was ashamed of his face, which
led him to be typecasted and Francis rejecting
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his advances. Ultimately, he used an experimental
serum to make his face more malleable. Montoya
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and Batman eventually stumble across Carlo,
who faked his death and kidnapped Francis out
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of a desire to play a villain for real. Montoya
rescues Francis while Batman defeats Carlo
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and disappears before Montoya can apprehend
him. Such a fantastic take on the character
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of Clayface. I feel like, you know, Clayface
in recent years has really had an opportunity
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to shine in shows like Harley Quinn or Suicide
Squad Isekai. But this is probably hands down
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my favorite version of the character. Taking
like a Boris Karloff approach to Basil Carlo
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Clayface was pure genius. Well, that's really
in keeping with his original story in the comic
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books, right? Very true. In the comics, Clayface
wasn't like this huge turd monster. He was
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actually just a serial killer who disguised
his face. This version of the character, I
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think, was the best of both worlds, though.
For sure. It is weird, though, seeing this
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version of Clayface coming off of the back of
Suicide Squad Isakai. Yeah. Who was a very,
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very different version of Clayface. Well, from
any media, to be fair. It's just interesting,
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I guess, how adaptable the character can be,
which I guess is not so surprising because
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he is clayface. He is adaptable, if anything.
Episode 3 was titled, Kiss of the Catwoman.
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At a museum displaying Gotham's elite jewels,
Bruce encounters an heiress named Selena Kyle,
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who has an interest in his late mother Martha
Wayne's pearls. He is later ordered to attend
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a month of therapy with Dr. Harleen Quinzel
after assaulting a patron who insulted his
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parents. Kyle resorts to jewel theft after being
left in debt, adopting the Catwoman persona.
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After being caught and outed by Batman, she
takes inspiration from him by upgrading her
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car and using gadgets before Gotham's District
Attorney Harvey Dent bails her out, allowing
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her to resume her crime spree. Deducing Kyle
will try and steal Martha's pearls, Bruce orders
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the museum to close early to luring Catwoman,
who is eventually caught once more and left
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destitute upon learning her maid Greta. sold
her belongings and refuses to bail her out.
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I loved Greta. I loved the idea of Catwoman
having a butler like Alfred who's, you know,
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kind of petty. That was great. This was a fantastic
episode. I really liked Christina Ricci's performance
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as Catwoman as well. The character design was
very much in keeping with her first appearance
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in the comics and While there wasn't like enough
romantic tension, I think, between the two,
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I still really liked the moments that they shared
together. Now, it was actually the first appearance
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because the first appearance of Catwoman wore
an actual like cat's furry face, but it was
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definitely inspired by early versions of the
character. It's not a design that I love, but
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it works within this world. Right. Like it doesn't
make sense for her to wear high heels and a
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dress. Right. Or a cape. That's bizarre. I did
like that she was very heavily inspired by
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Batman though. It was a great version of the
character. Episode 4 was titled The Night of
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the Hunters. After Mayor Jessup orders the creation
of a task force to apprehend Batman, Gordon
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chooses Montoya to run it. Using Dr. Quinzel's
insights, corrupt GCPD detectives Harvey Bullock
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and Arnold Flass use a masked criminal called
Firebug as bait to lure out Batman. As part
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of their plan, they let Firebug go to start
a fire. Batman arrives to rescue civilians,
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evading corrupt SWAT officers led by Bullock
and Flass in the process. As Bullock and Flass
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kill Firebug to cover their tracks, Batman reluctantly
works with Jim, who disapproves of the task
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force's methods to save the remaining civilians.
Afterward, Batman disappears once more. Bullock
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and Flass are hailed as heroes by Jessup and
put in charge of the Batman task force with
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Jim narrowly keeping his job. I loved this episode.
I thought it was a fantastic episode showing
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the corruption of the GCPD, which isn't explored
enough in a lot of media, I feel like, but
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this show handled it perfectly. Oh yeah. Flash
and Bullock were probably bigger bastards in
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this show than they've been in anything else
I've ever seen them in. Yeah, they were big
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time jerks here. It was surprising to me how
much this show could get away with. People
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were actually shot, killed and stuff like that.
You couldn't get away with stuff like that
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in the 90s on television. But here it totally
worked. It's much more mature. And I thought
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that made it a lot more interesting. Well, I
realized that from the first episode when Oswaldo
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killed one of her sons and then like you saw
his body as a skeleton coming out of the trunk
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later. That's right. Like this is pulpy as hell.
And I'm here for it. Oh, totally. We've been
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going to episode five. It was titled The Stress
of Her Regard. After several wealthy businessmen
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abruptly donate their fortunes to charity and
go missing. Barbara suspects their physician
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and her friend, Dr. Quinzel, is involved. In
reality, Quinzel has adopted the jester-like
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persona of Harley Quinn and is subjugating the
businessman to immense torture in an attempt
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to correct their minds and behavior. Barbara
and Batman track her to the basement of one
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of her patients, where the latter is overpowered
and knocked unconscious before the house is
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rigged to detonate. Nonetheless, Batman recovers
and saves Barbara, though he fails to save
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Quinzel from falling to her apparent death.
Having survived, however, Quinzel calls Montoya
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to call off a date they had planned and tell
her that she is temporarily leaving Gotham.
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Now, initially I was rejecting this take on
Harley Quinn. Like, I somewhat liked the idea
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that she was the resident psychiatrist for the
city as opposed to a doctor at Arkham Asylum.
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But I didn't like the idea of Harley Quinn not
having the Joker. But by this episode, I was
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sold on the idea. The idea that the psychiatrist
was going beyond helping people who were coming
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to her and torturing them was amazing. It was
brilliant, I thought. And the fact that she
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kind of justified it and that they felt like
they were kings and that she was bringing them
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down as the Jester, making them see the error
of their ways was pretty damn good. It was
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solid as hell. As a concept, if you were ever
going to do Harley Quinn without the Joker,
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this is exactly how you do it. This is how you
get her motivations, her modus operandi. Everything
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about it was so interesting. We've seen lots
of different versions of Harley Quinn by this
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point. But this version is something that I
think even Kelly Kuoku's Harley Quinn could
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take notes from. Yeah. Because there's a lot
to unpack here. And they only just scratch
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the surface of what this Harley Quinn could
be in this show. I did hate the fact that Batman
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was essentially taken out by a dude in a diaper
in this series. I was like, no way. That's
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not going to happen. That's dumb. But for the
most part, I really liked this episode. The
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Lesbian Kiss kind of took me back, given the
1940s setting, 1950s setting, because it was
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done out in public. Right. That was just something
I was like, OK, so apparently this Elseworld
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story was just a much more progressive reality
for the time. It was one of the things that
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I think stood out in terms of all the progressive
changes that they made for the show. Yeah,
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clearly. And again, something you definitely
couldn't get away with on Saturday mornings,
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kids television when we were growing up. Right.
Episode 6 was titled Night Ride. When a mysterious
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ghost on horseback emerges to rob Gotham's working
class, Dent's mayoral election campaign is
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threatened due to the robberies happening on
his watch. He is offered a donation from Thorne,
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but is hesitant to accept it. Meanwhile, Batman
struggles to fight the ghost directly. Deducing
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that it is the spirit of Jim Craddock, the gambling
addicted former owner of an old property that
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Bruce's friend Lucius Fox recently bought, he
gains help from Linton Midnight, Papa Midnight,
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who advises him to sacrifice the old property's
deed and the blood of a nobleman to draw out
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Craddock. Though Craddock possesses Batman's
butler, Alfred Pennyworth, Batman completes
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the ritual using Alfred's blood and traps Craddock
in a vial. He subsequently gives it to Midnight
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while Dent accepts Thorne's donation. It was
really cool to see Papa Midnight in this episode.
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There are any number of magicians that could
have been included in the show, and Papa Midnight
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would not have been near the top of my list
of who would have shown up. But I thought it
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was really cool that he did. Yeah, in the 90s
cartoon, we saw Jason Blood appear in the Batman
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series. And I think it was Dr. Fate who appeared
in the Superman series. I thought it was going
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to be one of those. I was definitely surprised
by Papa Midnight. but it was also really cool
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to see such an obscure character make an appearance
in the show. Moving on to episode 7, titled
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Moving Target. Jim fears that someone put a
bounty on his head after assassins such as
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Floyd Lawton and Anomatopeia come to Gotham,
and the former almost succeeds at killing him.
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He reluctantly agrees to be escorted to a safe
house at Wayne Gardens, but Anomatopeia's group
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finds them. Meanwhile, Batman learns the hit
was placed by a Blackgate penitentiary inmate
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named Muller, and follows Jim's detail. Narrowly
fending off the assassins, Berman reveals to
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Jim while getting the contract canceled, he
discovered Barbara is the true target. Officer
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Jim Corrigan attempts to claim the bounty for
himself, but is disarmed by Jim and arrested.
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Mueller later reveals he ordered the hit because
he feels he deserves better prison accommodations.
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This was a fantastic episode, another one of
my favorite episodes, very focused on- Jim
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Gordon and Barbara Gordon and their relationship,
which I thought was great. I didn't love on
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a monopoeia here. He doesn't make sense to me
as like a gang leader. He wouldn't be able
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to order anybody around. They would just see
him as a joke. Exactly. His voice didn't work
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for me, too. Like it was too raspy and stuff
like that. Like whenever I read on a monopoeia
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his voice in the books, I always thought of
it as more like a Hannibal Lecter type voice.
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Yeah. something like James Spader's Ultron or
something like that. But here he sounded like
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Bender from Futurama or something like that.
It just did not work. I did think it was cool
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that they had Jim Corrigan on the GCPD. I was
not expecting him. I actually thought he was
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going to die at the very end of this episode
and somehow be reborn as the specter or something
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like that. That didn't happen. But you know,
they're setting him up for something like that.
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Yeah. But what a guy who double crossed his
own partner B1 that is. qualified to be God's
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divine wrath? Well, this isn't keeping with
the character from the comics. Like, Jim Corrigan
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was an asshole in the comics. Really? Oh, okay.
Yeah. Okay. Moving on to episode 8, titled
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Nocturne. Amidst a fundraiser carnival for Dent's
campaign, multiple orphans are reported missing.
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Batman soon finds the culprit, Natalia Knight,
the younger sister of inventor Anton Knight,
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who suffers from a mysterious ailment that can
only be staved off by draining energy from
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people. which grants her enhanced strength.
After falling out with and attacking Anton
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for his perceived controlling behavior, Natalia
continues her attacks until she is intercepted
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by Batman. After making her realize she accidentally
killed Anton, who begged Batman to stop her
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before he died, Batman takes Natalia to safety
while her victims are taken to a hospital to
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recover. Meanwhile, Dent meets with Thorne to
accept his donation, but refuses to accept
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his condition of dropping charges against Thorne's
friend. retaliation, Thorin II throws a flask
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of acid at Dent's face. This is actually probably
my least favorite episode. Really? Yeah, I
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felt like the whole thing kind of drug on. I
didn't really care for the characters of Natalia
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and Anton Knight. They're known as the Knight
Slayer and Nocturna in the comics. But I think
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I was most offended in this episode by how they
treated the Robins. I was kind of hoping for
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a setup of Robin in this series. And I think
this is a poor setup. Well, it seems like it's
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never going to happen, right? Right. We're never
going to get a Robin in this series. When one
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of the boys referred to the other one as Dickie,
I was like, oh, maybe this is Dick Grayson.
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I actually thought that maybe that was just
a coincidence when I saw that Dick was captured
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and nearly drained of his life. But then it
wasn't until they mentioned Steffi Brown that
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I realized what they were doing with the orphans.
Oh, you didn't get it when you heard Jace for
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Jason? No, not even then. And then of course
they had Kelly at the end with the slingshot.
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Right. That was obvious. Yeah, for sure. It
was like a nice elseworlds homage. But yeah,
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it is disappointing that because of this seemingly
clever nod to the comics that will actually
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never get a Robin for this series. Yeah, it's
like either he's going to have five Robins
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at once or I imagine none at all. Did not like
it. I was surprised we didn't get like Tim
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or Damien. I guess Damien would it make sense.
But at least Tim. Actually, Damien. could make
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sense if they introduce Russell Gould and Talia
in a subsequent season. And they just have
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Damian be his first Robin. Yeah, I guess they
could go with that. Moving on to episode 9,
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The Killer Inside Me. In the aftermath of his
assault, Dent loses his mayoral bid and is
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left with half of his face permanently scarred,
which he grows insecure about. Bruce attempts
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to cheer him up with a night on the town, but
a paranoid Dent has an outburst in a restaurant.
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Alfred scolds Bruce for his poor attempt at
getting through to him. Craving justice against
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those who wronged him, Dent goes on a violent
spree throughout Gotham, taking out several
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of Thorne's men, though Batman intervenes before
he can hurt Thorne himself. Guilt-ridden, Dent
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snaps out of his rage and willingly goes to
Arkham Asylum, where he discovers Barbara signed
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on to become his lawyer. I liked what they did
with Harvey Dent for the most part throughout
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this season. I did think that his descent into
madness was a little out of nowhere though.
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Like the voices in his head, they just seem
to come along with the scarring of his face.
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Well, isn't that true to the story of the character?
Like he doesn't begin his descent into madness
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until he's actually scarred. No, he essentially
repressed a alternate personality as he was
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growing up, becoming a lawyer. Like in this
show, he didn't really even depend on his old
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coin in the same way that he has in prior depictions.
I don't know, it was just weird. I loved Diedrich
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Bader as the voice of Harvey Dent. I thought
he sounded completely different from when he
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voices Batman in shows like Harley Quinn. But
to me, this version of Harvey Dent is not as
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good as other depictions that we've seen in
animated films like The Long Halloween or his
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live action appearance in The Dark Knight. He
was just too smarmy as Harvey Dent. He wasn't
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the shining white knight. that he's typically
depicted as prior to becoming Two-Face. I guess
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that makes sense. I thought it was really interesting
how Bruce was essentially responsible for his
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descent into madness by forgetting to focus
on the victim and having empathy for him. He
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had no empathy. He was just trying to get at
the people who did it and in effect caused
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Harvey Dent to go on this crazy rampage. I didn't
really get that. I didn't understand how taking
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him out to dinner caused him to have his episode.
Bruce didn't know that was going to happen.
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I'm sure he had ulterior motives in doing that,
but I also felt like it's also something a
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good friend might try doing. And I think Harvey
even later on said that he understood what
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Bruce was trying to do while both of them were
talking in Arkham Asylum. Which brings me to
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the final episode titled Savage Night. Barbara
explains to Dent that she is willing to help
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him, insisting that he was led astray. Meanwhile,
Thorn's men, Bullock and Flass, seek revenge
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00:53:58,781 --> 00:54:03,803
on Dent. prompting Barbara and Batman to establish
a form of contact between each other and join
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forces with each other, Jim and Montoya to protect
him so he can testify in court. Amidst a fight
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at the docks, however, Dent sacrifices himself
to save Barbara from Flass. Batman loses his
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temper and threatens to shoot Flass, but ultimately
spares him. Following this, Alfred assures
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Batman that while he failed to reach Dent's
humanity, Batman still has his. A mysterious
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00:54:27,938 --> 00:54:33,341
man kills a series of victims with a toxin that
makes them laugh uncontrollably. Great final
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episode. I really liked the pacing of it. It's
mostly a chase scene between the good guys
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and the bad guys. Yeah, yeah. The finale at
the docks was really well done and even surprising
605
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at the very end when Batman holds a gun up to
flash and shoots around his head. Although
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100% doing permanent ear damage as well, I'm
pretty sure. That's fine. He doesn't have a
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problem with that. No, he doesn't. In fact,
if anything, it was showed that Batman was
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such a badass with a gun and he has still refused
to do it out of hatred for the weapon. I thought
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that was an interesting insight to his character
actually that he took the time to understand
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this weapon that he despises. Yeah, that was
interesting. I always kind of assumed that
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Batman really didn't even know how to use a
gun. You know, he just hated them so much.
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So yeah, again, this was pretty shocking. Even
more shocking than that was actually Harvey
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Dent's death. in this season, in this series,
sacrificing himself to save Barbara. The whole
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00:55:30,479 --> 00:55:36,021
is he good, is he bad approach to Harvey Dent
in this season was really well done. I thought
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because, you know, the last episode, we saw
him essentially go on a murder spree. But in
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this episode, to see him sacrifice himself for
Barbara Gordon, I thought was extremely heroic
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and definitely redeeming for the character.
Like you were sad to see him go. Do you think
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they have shot themselves in the foot in terms
of the potential? two-faced stories they could
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have told in the future? Potentially, but outside
of the fall of Harvey Dent, there's not too
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many great two-faced stories that you could
tell, so maybe it's for the best. Maybe use
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this as a way to fuel and motivate Batman going
forward, the fact that he remembers his friend
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Harvey Dent. But that does it for season one
of Batman the Caped Crusader. Overall, I thought
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it was a mature and intriguing reimagining of
the 90s animated series. featuring new and
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00:56:23,662 --> 00:56:29,786
modern interpretations of classic characters
within a retro noir framework. Not every interpretation
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00:56:29,906 --> 00:56:34,228
is successful and it would have been nice to
see Batman a little bit more than we did. But
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overall, I definitely recommend the series,
especially for the people who are behind it.
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I'm giving it 4 out of 5 stars, a fresh rating
on Rotten Tomatoes. I would agree. I think
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the setup and the premise of the series is better
than the execution for the most part. Don't
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get me wrong, it was a really good show. It
was enjoyable and I would recommend it to any
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fan of Batman and any fan of Batman the animated
series. But it does feel like for some episodes,
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they squandered their potential. Even though
I had a really good time with the series and
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I'm really looking forward to where they take
it in the future. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'm
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not sure if they're doing a season two, but
I really hope they are. I would love to see
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it. But that does it for this review. AJ 9K,
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