Birds of Prey vs A-Force

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This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Hi, welcome to
the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we

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review superhero films and debate the
superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing

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their characters in stat-based battle
simulations. I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin

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brother, Marvelous Joe. And in this episode, we
are doing a surprise Team Duel episode between

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DC's Birds of Prey and Marvel's A-Force. Yeah,
we're doing this special team duel in honor of

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Women's History Month, so to celebrate all the
women's out there, here's your duel of badass

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female superhero teams. Not gonna lie, I'm a
little nervous about this because I know A-Force

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is essentially female Avengers and Birds of Prey
tends to be a little bit more street level, so we'll

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see how it goes later on in this episode. Before
that, we are not going to break down the comic book

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movie news from this past week because there isn't
any, not anything concrete anyway. Yeah, we did

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get news that Sadie Sink has been cast in the new
Spider-Man movie, but there's nothing really to

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discuss there because we don't know who she's
playing. But we will be having a question of the

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week later on this episode. As always, we list our
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the podcast. Guys, be sure to tune into the other
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including Max Destruction, which pits your
favorite action heroes from film and television

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against each other. This Wednesday, host Scotty
and Gilly are finding out who would win in a fight

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between Disney's Hercules and Maui from Moana. On
the Send Your World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn

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speculates on fights between fan favorite anime
and manga characters. On Thursday, Zach is going

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to discuss who would win between Vasto Lorde
Ichigo from Bleach and Six Tail Kyuubi from Naruto.

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And on the Konsole Kombat podcast, host John and
Dean simulate battles between popular video game

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characters. In yesterday's episode, they
reviewed Dungeons and Dragons, Honor Among

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Thieves. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the
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in the DynaMic podcast network. But with that out
of the way, quick to the no prize. A no prize is an

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award Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version,
the Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award we

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post on Instagram for the person that we feel gave
the best answer to our question of the week. Last

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week, we asked you guys, what is your favorite
Marvel and DC comics crossover and why? And this is

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coming off the news that Marvel and DC are going to
put out two one shot crossover issues later on this

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year sometime in 2025. We don't have any of the
specific details on it, but we love the idea and

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thought it was worth asking about. Yeah, we got
three answers for this question. So let's break

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down our two honorable mentions before revealing
this week's no prize winner. Our first honorable

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mention goes to by DearBangora who said, Hello,
Dynamic Dual. I think the best Marvel DC crossover

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is Batman versus Punisher. The fact that both
characters have strict codes that are vastly

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different, but that unites them as well. I also
like that we can see the creation of Red Hood coming

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from this crossover being a mix of both
characters. So for me, Punisher versus Batman,

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the dichotomy and the difference between the
characters and their code and their will makes

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this comic book. Yeah, it looks like he got cut off
there, but he's referring to the Punisher Batman

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deadly knights crossover comic book in which
Punisher pays a visit to Gotham City. And if that

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concept sounds intriguing to you, hell yeah, it
was. I really like that comic book, even though,

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you know, Batman kind of beats a shit out of
Punisher towards the end and kind of like humbles

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him. Punisher does get in a good line where he tells
Batman that he and the Joker deserve each other. So

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I like that. Yeah, Punisher also makes Joker
essentially shit himself, too. So that was also a

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great moment from the comic. Yeah, it was a great
look at just like the two moralities of the

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character. You know, Punisher, he kills his bad
guys and he basically saw Batman as liable and all

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of the Joker's murders because he wouldn't kill
the Joker. You know, it's always been an

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interesting debate. And it was one that was
explored in that comic. So that philosophical

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aspect alone, I think, sets it a level above quite a
few DC Marvel crossovers. Great answer by

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DearBangora. Our next honorable mention goes to
Mason Thompson. Who said? Hey, what's up? It's

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Mason. And I would have to say if it was my favorite
Marvel and DC crossover, I'd just do the two,

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probably be one Batman Humboldt Punisher,
because I was stuff and or one if it's just DC, then

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it would be Batman when he went over to Ninja
Turtles. Because that is always so cool to see him

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fight with like all the turtles and yeah. Yeah, I'm
not sure if Mason is referring again to the

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Punisher Batman deadly knights crossover,
because I'm kind of ashamed to say that Batman has

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actually beat the shit out of Punisher in multiple
crossovers. I remember in J.L .A. Avengers,

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Punisher was in the middle of killing some bad guys
while Batman was doing reconnaissance in the

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Marvel Universe. And then Batman saw him doing
this and then broke through the warehouse and then

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beat the shit out of Punisher to keep him from
killing everybody. I mean, is it any surprise,

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though? Like Punisher is not at the level of
martial arts finesse that Batman is. He doesn't

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need to when he has bullets. And plus, he's he's a
pretty damn good fighter. He's a really good

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fighter, but he's also like 70. And Batman's like
not anymore. But no, Batman and the Teenage Mutant

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Ninja Turtles crossover was also awesome. They
made a movie about it. And we actually did a review

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of that film on a guest spot for the Ready to Retro
podcast where we talk all about that movie and the

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comic. It was good time. So make sure to check that
out if you haven't. Yeah, we love the Ready to

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Retro, guys. So great answer, Mason Thompson. The
winner of this week's No Prize is Christopher

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Minotti, who said. Hi, guys, this is Christopher
Minotti. My favorite would have to be the four

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issues of Marvel vs. DC, because it's exactly what
comic book fans love. The discussion of which side

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is stronger, whose characters would win more
fights. And I feel like those four issues, it

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showed that while sometimes DC character will win
and sometimes a Marvel character will win. In the

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end, Marvel will always lose to Superman. Now, if I
remember correctly in that miniseries, Marvel

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actually won a majority of those matches, but it
was total bullshit because a few of the winners

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were determined by fan votes and there's no way
Wolverine at Storm would have beaten Lobo and

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Wonder Woman. Yeah, they would have. It showed in
the comic just how that would have happened. It

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literally didn't, though. Like Wolverine and
Lobo go behind a bar and then Wolverine just stands

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up and smokes a cigar. It's like, what happened
behind that bar? He gutted him like he said he

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would. That's what happened. OK, so he did
something that wouldn't kill Lobo. Gotcha. You

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sound like a fucking whiny loser. Maybe don't be so
jealous about Marvel's victories. I'm super

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bitter about it. I don't care. No, that crossover
event was a defining moment, I think, for my

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Jonathan's childhood. I remember going to the
comic book store and getting the big Marvel versus

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DC poster that they were selling there along with
the comic books. And it was just a magical time,

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really. And in many ways, influenced us into doing
this podcast like 20 years later. Oh, absolutely.

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Yeah, if you guys haven't listened to our guest
spot on the Rankers, where we talk about why DC or

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Marvel is better, definitely check that episode
out as well, because I talk about how the DC versus

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Marvel mini series influenced us when we first
started reading comics. But great answer,

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Christopher. You win this week's No Prize. If
you're the listener who won a shot at winning your

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own No Prize, stay tuned to later on in this episode
when we'll be asking another question of the week

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and know that that's done onto the question of the
week. What character do you think Sadie Sink will

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be playing in the upcoming fourth Spider-Man film
from Marvel Studios? And we received a word over

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this past week that Sadie Sink has been cast. We
just don't know what role she's playing. There's a

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lot of conjecture out there, but we want to hear
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to answer before March 22nd. But let's go ahead and
move on to the main event of this episode, where we

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find out who would win in a battle between the all
female teams of Birds of Prey and a force. OK, Birds

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of Prey versus a force. As we mentioned earlier,
these are two all female teams from DC and Marvel

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respectively. Birds of Prey, notoriously, you
could say, had a live action film, but it was really

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just a Harley Quinn film. A force has not had its own
movie. No, but they also notoriously had a moment

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in Avengers Endgame where a lot of the female
superheroes that were fighting against Thanos in

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the climactic battle joined together to help get
the Infinity Gauntlet over to Ant-Man and the Wasp

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as they were powering up the Quantum Tunnel. A lot
of people found it pandering, but I actually loved

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it as a comic book fan because I was like, it's
fucking a force. They're like doing an Easter egg

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for that. I guess if you didn't know the comics and
just thought that they were doing it for girl

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power, then I can maybe see where they were coming
from. But I personally enjoyed that moment in that

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movie. Yeah, I didn't know what a force was at the
time when I saw that. So I definitely was like, oh,

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look, they're all posing together. Girl power.
Yeah, I think the boys' television show made fun of

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it, too, at some point. But they don't know they're
just fucking cynical. I mean, let's be real. That

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scene was kind of better than the entirety of Birds
of Prey, though. You're not wrong. And Birds of

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Prey wasn't even that bad. It was just a really bad
Birds of Prey film. Right. I mean, the movie should

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have been called Harley Quinn and the Birds of
Prey. The Birds of Prey team shouldn't have taken

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center stage because they really weren't the
focus and they weren't really adapted that well.

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Right, exactly. So if the only thing you know about
the Birds of Prey is the movie, forget everything

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you know about the Birds of Prey. Yeah, the origin
for Birds of Prey in the comic books is way

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different from the film. But I got to say the origin
for a force is almost non-existent in the comic

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books. They just manifested as a team within the
alternate reality of battle worlds that Dr. Doom

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created. So there's no real origin story for a
force, but they do have, you know, a history. OK,

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well, that's almost like Birds of Prey, too,
because they didn't even call themselves Birds of

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Prey or think of themselves as an official team
until like issue 80. Oh, wow. Well, I can't wait to

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hear all about their backstory as we go into that in
a bit here. But to explain the methodology behind

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our duels, let's go to our sentient dual
simulator, Alfred Jarvis, 9000. Adrian and I, K

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tell our listeners how you go about determining a
winner in our dual matchups. Yes, of course, sir.

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The way I determine a winner between the two teams
is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations

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between every character on each team using their
statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a

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probabilistic model used to determine outcomes
through random sampling. In this case, I

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randomize the statistics along a normal
distribution as a way to simulate the many

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variables that can occur during battle. The stat
parameters are based on the official Marvel power

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grid from which the DC characters statistics are
extrapolated. Additional stat categories are

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included such as range, damage potential,
versatility and perception in order to create a

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more detailed and accurate simulation. The
results of the 49,000 simulations provide a

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percentage of wins for each character on both
teams. The team with the higher average win rate is

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declared the victor as they have a higher
probability to win any given battle. In an

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equitable pairing, neither team should win 100%
of the matches. The comic book stories have shown

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that there's even a way for Batman to defeat
Superman, so the confidence rate of my method

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falls in line with the precedents that have been
established in the source material. My

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mathematical simulations are without
subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole

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consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for
determination of the winner. Thanks to J9K.

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Before we run the simulations, though, we like to
break down each team's histories and rosters

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before improvising a scenario on how we imagine
one of the many simulations would play out beat for

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beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first with the
DC team's backstory. So let me tell you about Birds

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of Prey. The Birds of Prey began as a partnership
between Barbara Gordon, the former Batgirl, now

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operating as the information broker known as
Oracle, and Dynal Lance, the martial arts expert

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and vigilante known as Black Canary, each of whom
you can learn more about in their respective duels

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against Hawkeye, Kate Bishop, and Black Widow.
Now after suffering a spinal injury at the hands of

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the Joker, Barbara reinvented herself as Oracle,
creating a vast intelligence network that

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provided real-time information to superheroes
worldwide. Initially, she sought out Powergirl

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as her first field agent, but after an early
mission resulted in tragic casualties,

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Powergirl severed ties with Oracle, leaving
Barbara searching for a more compatible

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operative. Oracle eventually turned to Black
Canary, a veteran crime fighter who had lost her

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Canary cry, but continued patrolling the streets
as a highly skilled combatant. Operating from the

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Gotham City clock tower, Oracle and Black Canary
formed a formidable duo, with Dynah handling

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field operations and Barbara coordinating
commissions behind the scenes. Their

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partnership thrived, despite occasional
ideological differences, and over time, Oracle

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expanded her intelligence network to include a
growing roster of agents. The team solidified

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when Black Canary was captured by the villainous
Savant, an information broker and former

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vigilante who sought to control Gotham's
underworld. Unable to call upon the Bat Family for

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assistance, Oracle reached out to Huntress, a
brutal and relentless vigilante with ties to the

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city's criminal underbelly. Working together,
Oracle and Huntress successfully rescued Black

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Canary, leading Barbara to formally recruit
Huntress as a full-time agent. And you, of course,

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can learn more about Huntress in her dual episode
against Jessica Jones. Soon after, Lady Black

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Hawk, a time-displaced World War II pilot and
former member of the Black Hawk Squadron, joined

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the team after a mission involving a hijacked
aircraft. Though she was originally an outlier

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due to her outdated views and hard drinking
demeanor, Lady Black Hawk quickly became an

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invaluable member, serving as the team's pilot
and transport specialist. With its core trio of

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Oracle, Black Canary and Huntress, along with
Lady Black Hawk providing air support, the Birds

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of Prey expanded their operations, tackling
threats that other hero teams ignored or were

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unable to address. They faced off against
criminals such as Cheshire, Senator Pullman, and

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the Blackmailer Savant while also dealing with
espionage, human trafficking, and

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international crime syndicates. For years, the
Birds of Prey operated from Oracle's Command

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Center inside the Gotham Clock Tower, but their
headquarters came under attack during a

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full-scale gang war. Black Mask, the crime lord
who had taken control of Gotham's underworld,

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targeted Oracle's operations, leading an
assault that resulted in the Clock Tower's

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destruction. Forced to abandon Gotham, Barbara
temporarily disbanded the team and went into

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hiding. After a brief time operating covertly,
Oracle reassembled the Birds of Prey, now

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stationed aboard the ARE-1, a high-tech mobile
command aircraft outfitted with cutting-edge

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surveillance and tactical equipment. From
there, they took on high-risk missions across the

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globe, tackling threats ranging from
super-powered crime syndicates to political

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conspiracies. Seeking a more stable base of
operations, Oracle relocated the team to

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Metropolis, but their presence in Superman's
city led to clashes with local authorities and

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rival vigilante groups. Eventually, they
settled in Platinum Flats, a high-tech city on the

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West Coast with deep ties to organized crime and
corporate corruption. With a growing roster that

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now included Big Barda, Manhunter, Gypsy, and
Judo Master, the Birds of Prey fought against the

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city's underground syndicates while facing
opposition from the metahuman criminal

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underworld. During their time in Platinum Flats,
the team found themselves targeted by Spy

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Smasher, the alias of Katarina Armstrong, a
former government operative and Barbara's

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childhood rival. Katarina sought to take control
of the Birds of Prey, leveraging her influence to

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force Oracle out. This led to a dramatic
confrontation where Barbara challenged the Spy

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Smasher to a one-on-one fight, with the winner
taking control of the organization. Despite her

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physical limitations, Oracle outmaneuvered Spy
Smasher and won the fight. However, Katarina

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refused to honor their agreement. Before she
could make a move against Oracle, the Birds of Prey

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assembled in full force alongside numerous
allies including Black Canary, Wildcat, and even

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the assassin Lady Shiva. Overwhelmed and
outmatched, Spy Smasher had no choice but to back

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down, and Oracle secured the Birds of Prey's
independence once and for all. As Oracle's

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intelligence network grew, so did her list of
enemies. Chief among them was the Calculator, a

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cyber-criminal and information broker who
sought to unmask Oracle and eliminate her as a

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threat. Their ongoing digital war escalated when
the Calculator attempted to harness fragments of

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the Anti-Life Equation, a cosmic formula capable
of controlling minds. To counter his growing

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power, Oracle led an all-out cyber assault
enlisting allies such as Cassandra Kane,

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Huntress, and even members of the Justice League
to dismantle his operations. Though she

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successfully thwarted Calculator's plans, the
battle left her questioning her own

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effectiveness, leading her to temporarily
disband the Birds of Prey once again to reassess

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her role. Following Batman's apparent death,
Oracle resumed operations in Gotham City,

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assisting Nightwing in maintaining order as
criminals seized the opportunity to expand their

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influence. She reassembled the Birds of Prey with
a new lineup that included the Medi-Human Bruiser

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Hawk, the Pacifist Warrior Dove, and a returning
Countress. Establishing a new headquarters in

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Cord Tower, during this time, Black Canary left
the team to raise her adopted daughter, Sin, but

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eventually returned when the Birds faced a
resurgence of organized crime in Gotham. The team

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also recruited two new members, Black Alice, a
teenage sorceress with the ability to

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temporarily steal magical powers, and Misfit, a
homeless runaway with teleportation abilities

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whom Oracle took under her wing. As the Birds of
Prey continued to expand, they took on major

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players in the criminal underworld, including an
underground Medi-Human trafficking gang and the

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growing influence of the villainous
organization known as the Secret Six. Their

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battles led to high stakes confrontations
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and her League of Assassins. Following the
Flashpoint event, the history of the Birds of Prey

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was rebooted, and the team was reestablished as a
covert operations unit based in Gotham City.

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Black Canary formed a new incarnation of the
group, recruiting Starling, Batgirl, Katana,

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and Poison Ivy for a series of high-risk missions.
Their early cases involved stopping a villain

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known as Choke, who used nanotechnology to turn
people into living bombs. The team faced internal

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strife when Poison Ivy attempted to manipulate
them into joining her crusade against

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environmental criminals. Katana ultimately
killed Ivy in self-defense, leaving the team

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shaken. Shortly after, Starling betrayed them to
both Mr. Freeze and the Court leading to further

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fractures within the group. After learning that
her presumed dead ex-husband, Kurt Lance, was

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being held captive by the terrorist organization
Basilisk, Black Canary went rogue to rescue him.

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This put her at odds with Amanda Waller, who had
manipulated the team from behind the scenes. When

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Ras Al Ghul entered the conflict offering Black
Canary a Lazarus pet serum in exchange for her

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cooperation, she turned him down, setting off a
chain of events that nearly led to the team's

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destruction. In the latest incarnation of the
team, Black Canary has once again taken charge,

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forming a new squad consisting of Cassandra Kane,
Big Barda, Zellet, and Harley Quinn. Now

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team-wise, I knew that Barbara Gordon would be a
no-brainer to include on my 7-person roster,

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since she's the entire reason the team exists.
She's joining as Batgirl, not Oracle though, as

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Batgirl has been a member in recent years in the
comics. Black Canary and Huntress were also

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Shoe-ins considering they and Barbara form the
core team of Birds of Prey. I decided to also go with

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Powergirl, since she was technically Barbara's
first field agent prior to recruiting Black

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Canary, as well as Dove, one half of Hawk and Dove,
though replacing Hawk will be Hawk Girl, who has

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helped the team against the Seeker 6 and is a bird of
prey in her own right. For my 7th and final team

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member, I could have gone with Lady Black Hawk, who
I would consider to be a 4th core member if there

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ever was one, but there have been much more
interesting characters on the Birds of Prey team,

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especially ones that I knew wouldn't drag down the
team's stats like Lady Black Hawk would, who's

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pretty weak. In the end, I decided to go with Vixen
as my final team member, as she's a powerhouse that

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I believe will help raise what is traditionally a
street level team like Birds of Prey to a force

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level. So that's my team. Batgirl, Black Canary,
Huntress, Powergirl, Dove, Hawk Girl, and Vixen.

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Has Vixen ever been associated with the team? Yes,
she has been a field agent for Oracle in the past.

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She helped Huntress bring down some cults in the
Pacific Northwest. Okay, all right. That's a

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pretty damn good lineup. It was interesting to
hear how for the majority of their existence, the

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Birds of Prey were supported and founded by
Barbara Gordon as Oracle. It's kind of hard to know

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what the team functions like when Barbara Gordon
is Batgirl as opposed to Oracle. Well, she just

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does all of her information brokering in the
field. She still has computer gadgets attached to

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her suit and stuff like that. She's definitely
still like the brains of the team, just that now

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she's fighting alongside them. That's pretty
cool. I like that. It was also interesting to see

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that Harley Quinn has become a member of the team. I
feel like they only did that because of the movie. I

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agree. Yeah, 100%. That's the case. I was actually
thinking of including Harley Quinn on this team

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since she does have that tie in in the general
public's mind considering she was in the movie.

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But I already used Harley Quinn in the Suicide
Squad versus Defenders team doled that we did

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earlier. Yeah, that's right. Well, let me go ahead
and get into a forces backstory. A Force was an all

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female superhero team that emerged in the
alternate reality of Battle World, a patchwork

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planet created by Dr. Doom following the
destruction of the multiverse. They operated as

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the defenders of Arcadia, a utopian island
territory within Battle World under the

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leadership of She-Hulk, who also served as
Arcadia's appointed Baroness. Wait, is Arcadia

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an all female island? No, they had dudes there, but
it was just run by women. But it's an island utopia.

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Yeah. Oh, just like them. It's not like them. RIP
off. Anyway, the founding roster included over 40

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women heroes, including Captain Marvel, Ms.
Marvel, Spider Woman, Medusa, Dazzler, Nico

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Minoru, and Mockingbird to The team protected
Arcadia from a Megalodon attack off the island's

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coast. They successfully subdued the creature,
but Miss America hurled it beyond the massive

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shield wall that separated Arcadia from the
zombie infested Deadlands and inadvertently

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damaging the barrier. This act violated Dr.
Doom's laws and despite She-Hulk's protests, the

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Thor core, who were the elite enforcers of Doom's
rule, arrived to arrest America Chavez. She was

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sentenced to exile, forced to serve as guardian of
the shield for the rest of her life. In response,

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She-Hulk tasked Arcadia's undersea residents,
including Namor, Namorita, and Namora, with

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investigating the origins of the Megalodon
attack. Meanwhile, Nico Minoru discovered a

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mysterious girl who had fallen from the sky. A
female variant of Loki advised Nico to bring the

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mysterious girl to Ape Horse for further
examination. As the team tried to determine her

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origins, portals began opening across Arcadia,
allowing dangerous creatures to enter the

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territory. One such portal unleashed a mutant
Sentinel, which Ape Horse managed to destroy with

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the unexpected help of the mysterious girl.
Medusa immediately accused her of being

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responsible for the portals, but She-Hulk
refused to accept this claim without proof. When

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another portal opened, She-Hulk chose to travel
through it, seeking answers. She-Hulk arrived in

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the Sentinel territories where she was pursued by
the robots and confronted by members of the Thor

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Corps for trespassing across battleworld's
borders. She fought off the Thors and returned to

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Arcadia, realizing that the portals were created
with magic from Arcadia, suggesting that someone

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within Ape Horse had betrayed them. Before the
team could investigate further, the Thor Corps

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arrived in Arcadia, demanding She-Hulk's
surrender. Medusa sacrificed herself to repel

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the Thors, buying time for She-Hulk and her allies
to regroup. With the team now branded outlaws,

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Loki seized the opportunity to climb the portal.
A-Force quickly deduced that Loki was the true

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traitor responsible for creating the portals to
destabilize She-Hulk's rule. Before she could be

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crowned Baroness, A-Force launched an attack
exposing her deception. In retaliation, Loki

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unleashed one final assault, using her powers to
breach the shield barrier, allowing the hordes of

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undead from the deadlands to invade Arcadia.
A-Force joined by the remaining forces of

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Arcadia, including the members of the Thorkor,
the X-Men and the Submariner's forces, mounted a

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desperate defense against the undead. As the
zombies overwhelmed them, the mysterious girl,

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now named Singularity, sacrificed herself to
save her new friends. She absorbed the horde into

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the pocket dimension within herself and ascended
into the sky before exploding in a flash of light.

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The battle was won, but Arcadia had suffered heavy
losses, and A-Force was left forever changed.

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Following the end of Battleworld and the
restoration of the multiverse, Singularity

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re-emerged in the primary reality of Earth 616,
but none of the heroes she had known on Battleworld

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remembered her. Her arrival was detected by Alpha
Flight, whom it took her for a threat. Seeking

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familiarity, Singularity located Captain
Marvel, believing her to be the same version she

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had known back in Arcadia. However, before Carol
Danvers could comprehend what was happening,

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another cosmic entity named Antimatter arrived,
pursuing Singularity across Earth. Singularity

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fled to New York City where she encountered
She-Hulk. Recognizing her from Arcadia, she

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sought her aid, but Antimatter attacked them
both. The Inhuman Queen Medusa intervened with a

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force of Inhuman soldiers and detained
Singularity, believing her to be a danger. But

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when Antimatter killed one of the Inhumans,
Medusa, along with She-Hulk, fought back, using

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Inhuman technology to teleport Antimatter to the
moon to buy themselves time. Realizing the need

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for a stronger force, Singularity brought the
group to Japan where they enlisted the aid of Niko

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Minoru. As Antimatter reappeared, Niko used the
staff of one to temporarily banish him. Seeking a

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more effective means of defeating their foe,
Captain Marvel devised a plan to use concentrated

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light energy against Antimatter. To implement
this strategy, they sought out Dazzler in Miami

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and recruited her to join them. Dazzler struck
Antimatter with a powerful burst of light while

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She-Hulk and Medusa attempted to contain him,
allowing Captain Marvel time to charge a

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containment device. However, Antimatter proved
too powerful, overloading the system and

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escaping. Niko then cast a spell to remove
Antimatter's ability to track Singularity,

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allowing them to regroup aboard the Alpha Flight
Space Station. There, scientists analyzed the

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data from their Miami battle and developed a
device capable of dismantling Antimatter.

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However, it was discovered that Antimatter and
Singularity were quantum entangled, meaning

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that destroying him would also destroy her. Due to
this revelation, She-Hulk attempted to reason

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with Antimatter, but their negotiations failed.
In retaliation, Antimatter critically wounded

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Dazzler. Enraged, Singularity blamed herself
and left to confront Antimatter alone. She-Hulk,

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Minoru, and Captain Marvel followed her to the
Blue Area of the Moon where Medusa planted a bomb

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that would destroy Antimatter. As the device
detonated, Dazzler appeared, teleporting

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Singularity to safety in an act that severed their
entanglement. Antimatter was finally defeated,

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but the battle had left A-Force shaken. A-Force
remained active for some time, but their battles

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grew increasingly dire. A-Force found itself
divided by ideological differences during the

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Second Superhero Civil War. Captain Marvel,
siding with Ulysses Cain's ability to predict

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future crimes, turned against Nico Minoru when
the Inhuman Prophet foresaw that she would one day

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kill a woman named Alice. Nico fled to Ure,
Colorado, where she encountered Elsa

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Bloodstone, who was battling a monstrous
infestation that was transforming the town's

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residents into insects. When Alice was found, it
was revealed that she had inadvertently caused

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the outbreak, and only her death could reverse the
transformation. Nico refused to kill Alice,

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leading to a deadly confrontation in which her
A-Force teammates, who tracked her to Colorado,

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were also infected. Ultimately, Nico cast a spell
that took Alice's life undoing the infection. The

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moral and ideological rift between Captain
Marvel and Nico Minoru deepened following this

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incident. The strain within the team, coupled
with She-Hulk's temporary retirement and

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Medusa's departure into space, led to A-Force's
eventual dissolution, and the remaining members

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drifted apart. Though A-Force no longer operated
as a formal team, their legacy remains to this day

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in comics as a testament to the strength of the deep
bonds they forged while together. And that's

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their backstory. For this team duel,
seven-person roster, I'll be going with some of

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the primary members of A-Force, along with some of
the members from the team's start and battle

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worlds that pairs best with your Birds of Prey
team. This was pretty easy, since almost every

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Marvel superhero was part of A-Force at that time.
To start with, I went with She-Hulk, Captain

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Marvel, Spider Woman, Jessica Drew, I should say,
Nico Minoru, and Miss Marvel. All of whom you can

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learn more about in their own individual duels. I
should note that since our Miss Marvel duel, the

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character underwent a slight power upgrade to
match her abilities in the movies and shows. It was

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revealed that Kamala Khan was an inhuman who
underwent pterogenesis prior to the awakening of

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her mutant gene, which is the power to create
purple hard-light constructs. Wait, really?

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Yeah, so she'll be having that power in this duel.
For the final two spots on the A-Force roster, I

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went with characters who haven't had their own
individual duels, but were prominent heroes that

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paired well with your team. The first one is
Dazzler, who I'm pairing with your Black Canary.

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Dazzler is a mutant whose real name is Alice in
Blair, who has the ability to absorb sound

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vibrations and convert them into light energy,
including lasers, strobes, and all kinds of light

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effects. She's a singing pop star in the books,
basically the Taylor Swift of comics, and she's

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famous for using her powers to generate laser
light shows during her concerts. She's been a part

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of the X-Men and X-Factor, and was shown in live
action in the Dark Phoenix movie played by Halston

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Sage. For the final spot on the A-Force team, I'm
going with Mockingbird, who I'm pairing against

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your Huntress. Now Mockingbird is one of Shield's
top spies and scientists with a skill set similar

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to Black Widows. She's an expert biochemist and
martial artist who famously uses two steel alloy

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battle staves, or billy clubs, that she can screw
together to extend into a bow staff or vaulting

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pole. She was a founding member of the West Coast
Avengers, and she's been depicted a few times in

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live action, first as Hawkeye's Wife, played by
Laura Cardellini in the MCU. The character was

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also played more accurately, and really to
perfection, in the Agents of Shield television

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show by Adrian Palakie. So to reiterate, my
7-person roster for A-Force is She-Hulk, Captain

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Marvel, Ms. Marvel, Spider Woman, Nico Minoru,
Dazzler, and Mockingbird. And since we like to

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create pairings for these team duels in order to
keep things on an even kill basically and make sure

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that the matches are fair, the pairings go as
follows. Captain Marvel and Power Girl, She-Hulk

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and Hawke Girl, Dazzler and Black Canary, Nico
Minoru and Batgirl, Mockingbird and Huntress,

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Ms. Marvel and Vixen, and Spider Woman and Dove.
Yeah, the Batgirl, Nico pairing kind of throws me,

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but the rest of them are great, I think. Well, I
figured what Batgirl lacks in powers she makes up

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in intelligence, and what Nico lacks in
experience she makes up in having a really cool

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power set. Yeah, well, we'll see how it goes. So you
haven't done duels with Dazzler and Mockingbird.

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I know about Dazzler, but I didn't know much about
Mockingbird. It sounds like she's essentially

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just Black Widow who also uses battle staves. Not
commonly, though. Like, I know that in Avengers

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Age of Ultron, the director, Joss Whedon, gave
Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow these Billy

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Clubs, and she's really used them in all the
Avengers movies since then, you know, until

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Avengers Endgame. I feel like he kind of stole them
from Mockingbird in order to make Black Widow a

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more physical threat against characters like
Ultron. But the Batons, those are typically known

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to be used by Mockingbird, not Black Widow. I won't
say that she hasn't used, like, tonfas from time to

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time, but that's really Mockingbird's signature
weapon. Okay, well, I can't wait to find out how

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this turns out. So, here's where we're at. We're at
the final stage of the game. Now that we've got

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their histories and abilities out of the way,
let's speculate on how one of the thousands of

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simulated matches will go. The winner is
determined by simulations, not the speculation,

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but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play
out. Agent NK, what are the rules of our

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speculation? Well, I should say there are no
rules. The teams must earn victory on their own

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merit. Alright, then let's get into it. Birds of
Prey and A-Force meet on the battlefield. Who goes

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first? I think Black Canary would go first. So,
right away, she's gonna blast all of them with a

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Canary cry, sending all of them flying backward.
No, because Dazzler, she's at the front of the team

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when this happens, and she's gonna absorb the
entirety of Black Canary's Canary cry. And, like,

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you just amped Dazzler up to, like, 11. She turns
all of that sound energy into light energy, and she

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spins around on her roller skates and, you know,
strikes a pose, and she's like, let's go, girls!

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And, like, cue the EDM music, because this fight
just turned into a dance rave, and A-Force is gonna

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charge at the Birds of Prey while Dazzler is
shooting out these laser lights, and these lasers

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are gonna, like, cut Black Girl's utility belt in
half, and one of Hawk Girl's wings just gets

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clipped, and I'm pretty sure that Power Girl is
bald now. She was given a laser haircut. Okay, I saw

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this coming. Not the haircut. I mean, Power Girl
has Kryptonian hair, so... But you're dealing

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with some of the most agile characters in DC with
the Birds of Prey team. So they're actually

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dodging Dazzler's lasers with, like, flips and
shit, and Black Girl's gonna counter with a smoke

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pellet, hiding her team, so Dazzler and the rest of
A-Force can't see where the Birds of Prey are. All

404
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they're gonna see is a set of glowing tiger eyes
just before Vixen leaps out of the smoke with a

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tiger aura, pouncing on Niko Minoru and just
slashing her ribbons. Okay, alright, well, okay.

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Niko gets hurt, but before she gets turned into
ribbons, that's when She-Hulk leaps in, just

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straight up grabs Vixen by her waistband and
throws her into space. Okay. And then Niko casts a

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healing spell on herself using the Staff of One.
She's gonna say, like, Medic, and she's good to go.

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She's back in this fight. Meanwhile, Captain
Marvel is gonna energize her body to, like, light

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her way through this smoke screen that Batgirl
created, and she sees Power Girl, and she's gonna

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give her one of those good old-fashioned
energy-powered punches right in her face,

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sending her reeling backward. Oh, it's Power
Girl, so yeah, she'll take the punch and then she's

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gonna give as good as she got right back towards
Captain Marvel, so they're just gonna start

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trading blows in the sky, I guess. Okay, alright.
Speaking of sky, Miss Marvel is gonna stretch,

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like, 50 feet tall, and with this embigged hand,
she's just gonna backhand Hawk Girl and swat her

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out of the sky, sending her crashing into the
ground. Okay, well, yeah, Hawk Girl probably was

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in the sky, but her enhanced senses actually
alerted her to Miss Marvel's attack, so she's just

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gonna loop right around that giant hand and slam
Miss Marvel right in the face with her energized

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mace that's gonna cause her giant body to fall and
crash into the ground. Alright, Miss Marvel's

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nose is probably caved in, but she's elastic,
right? So she's gonna topple down to the ground,

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she catches her fall by creating a purple
construct to cushion it, and while she's, like,

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reforming her nose, healing that up, she's gonna
throw up another purple energy construct in the

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air, like a wall that Hawk Girl just flies into,
like a bird into a window, alright, and it just

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cracks her neck, probably one of her wings. Jeez.
Hawk Girl falls to the ground, like, splat, and she

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is out of this match. What? Dang, okay. Um, I guess
she's out. Meanwhile, Huntress, she fires a bolt

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from her crossbow at Mockingbird right through
her foot, and that's gonna pin Mockingbird right

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to the ground. No, because Mockingbird knocks
this crossbow bolt out of the air with one of her

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battle staves, and then she's gonna screw her
clubs together to form one long staff that she's

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gonna use to vault herself over to Huntress and,
like, leap, snap, kick her right in the back of her

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head. Yeah, except Huntress blocks
Mockingbird's kick with her own bow staff, and the

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two face off using their own staffs. It's like two
windmills fighting against each other.

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Eventually, though, Huntress is gonna get in
close enough to fire a quick crossbow bolt point

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blank into Mockingbird's chest, eliminating her
from the match. And now Huntress has two staffs

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that she can dual-wheel like a badass.
Dual-wielding two staffs? Like a badass. But I

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would really love to see what those bow staffs can
do against someone as durable and strong as Spider

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Woman, who glides in and she's gonna block
Huntress' staff attack with just her forearm

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before backflip kicking Huntress right in the
chin with enough strength to knock her

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unconscious, and now Huntress is out of this
match. So sorry about that fancy dual-wield.

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Didn't go anywhere. All right, well, I mean, Black
Canary saw what happened to her friend, so she's

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gonna blast Spider Woman with a targeted Canary
cry that's gonna obliterate her eardrums and just

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disorient her. And then Black Canary's gonna grab
Spider Woman with this like Sonia Blade-esque

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forward handspring leg grapple, and she's gonna
drive Spider Woman's head right into the ground

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right before she chokes Spider Woman out between
her fishnet clad thighs. Yeah, all right. I think

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that is statistically the best way to go out of this
match, except that Spider Woman doesn't get

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choked out because she emits these pheromones,
right, that pacify Black Canary into loosening

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her grip. And then Spider Woman just venom blasts
her, stunning her with enough electricity to take

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her out of the match. Okay, well, Power Girl and
Captain Marvel, you know, they're probably still

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brawling above the battlefield. And when Miss
Marvel tries to intervene to help her mentor,

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Power Girl freezes her with her super breath and
then dashes right through Miss Marvel,

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shattering her into a thousand pieces. She's out.
Damn, that's a bold move. Like Captain Marvel,

451
00:43:55,630 --> 00:44:01,430
she's gonna be shocked by that and enraged and
she's gonna straight up super sane Kamehameha

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Power Girl's ass with a blast that's gonna knock
her down to the ground right into She-Hulk's

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fists. Okay, that's some A-Force teamwork right
there. And Captain Marvel and She-Hulk are gonna

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team up and lay a straight up beatdown on Power
Girl, knocking her further and further into a

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00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:22,290
crater that gets deeper with each hit and Power
Girl eventually just goes limp. She can't take any

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00:44:22,290 --> 00:44:27,850
more. She's out. No, dang. All right, well, while
Captain Marvel and She-Hulk are in the hole,

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Dove's gonna swoop in and emit her pacifying light
aura, which is gonna cause She-Hulk to transform

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back into Jennifer Walters and Captain Marvel
just, you know, to calm the fuck down. At which

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point, Batgirl's gonna drop down a bat grenade
into the crater, which detonates right after Dove

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00:44:47,250 --> 00:44:52,510
flies out of the hole, killing Jennifer. That's
Bird's a prey teamwork. Yeah, I don't like that

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00:44:52,510 --> 00:45:00,090
teamwork. But, uh, Nico, in retaliation for what
Batgirl did, she's gonna yell out, Basubius, with

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her staff of one, which is gonna erupt a little
mini-volcano from the ground that's beneath

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00:45:04,690 --> 00:45:10,450
Batgirl and it's gonna explode Batgirl up into the
air and just burn her alive within the fountain of

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lava. Wait, so there's like lava around the
environment now? Oh, just a pool of it where the

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mini-volcano was. Okay. All right, well, Vixen,
she managed to survive space by summoning the

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00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:30,810
survival abilities of a tardigrade and so she's
fallen back to Earth after She-Hulk's throw and

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she's gonna summon the power of a falcon to quickly
dive right toward Nico and then at the last minute,

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harness the weight of a whale to land on Nico who
just splatters everywhere. And meanwhile,

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Dove's going to blind Spider-Woman with a flash of
light. So now Spider-Woman's blind and deaf, you

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00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:58,850
know, thanks to Black Canaries attack earlier. So
Spider-Woman, she's gonna stubble into that pool

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of lava from the mini-volcano created by Nico and
just burn to death. Uh, Dazzler then is gonna skate

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over on her roller skates and we'll say that she
absorbed the sound of the mini-volcano eruption.

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So she's juiced, you know, and she fires a light
beam that just punches the hole straight through

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Dove's torso and now Dove's out. Now actually,
Dove has a danger sense. So she's gonna dodge

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Dazzler's attack and then quickly like slide
tackle her legs to trip Dazzler on her skates. So

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Dazzler just topples face first right onto Hawke
girl's mace and knocks herself out. What? Why are

477
00:46:38,510 --> 00:46:44,090
all my guys going out like punk asses? Like, why is
Dove only getting people to take themselves out?

478
00:46:44,090 --> 00:46:50,430
Well, she's a pacifist. Okay. Well, you know who's
not a pacifist? Captain Marvel and she's had it

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00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:56,590
with Dove's shit. She's gonna swoop in like a comet
super fast, lift Dove into the sky with her arms

480
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above her head and then straight up dive power bomb
Dove into the ground. She's dead. No, no, Dove has a

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pacifying aura. Yeah, but Captain Marvel already
knew that from earlier with She-Hulk. So Captain

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Marvel acted quickly, like I said, a comet like
swoop slam. Whatever. Okay. Captain Marvel, you

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know, she's gonna look around for the final bird of
prey, which is Vixen. But oh no, looks like she

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doesn't see her. That's because Vixen is using the
camouflage powers of a squid to make yourself

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basically invisible. And when Captain Marvel
isn't looking, that's when Vixen combines the

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abilities of a dung beetle, which is really
strong, like it could lift over 1000 times its

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weight and a mantis shrimp, which could strike at
the speed of a bullet to land a killing blow right in

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the back of Captain Marvel's head. Boom, match
over. How many animals is Vixen using for this move

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00:47:53,590 --> 00:48:01,210
here? Three. Mantis shrimp and a dung beetle?
Yeah, it's pretty shitty. Literally. Okay.

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00:48:01,210 --> 00:48:06,610
Captain Marvel feels this little love tap on the
back of her head and she's gonna turn around like,

491
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bitch. And then she's gonna fly and uppercut Vixen
into Red Mist. That's how the match ends. Love tap.

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00:48:13,770 --> 00:48:18,590
Dude, do not underestimate the power of the mantis
shrimp. It's called a shrimp for a reason. All

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00:48:18,590 --> 00:48:23,890
right. It's shrimpy. Right. It's not going to hurt
Captain Marvel proportionately. Yes, the hell it

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00:48:23,890 --> 00:48:30,270
is. Okay. Well, we'll go ahead and leave the match
there. Either Vixen mantis shrimp dung beetle

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punches Captain Marvel on the back of the head, or
Captain Marvel literally just uppercuts Vixen,

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exploding her into oblivion. Let's go ahead and
input the stats for these teams, run the

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simulations and find out which scenario happens.
Agenenke, hit it. Inputting data, running

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calculations, processing results, simulations
complete. All right. Full disclosure, guys. For

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this particular matchup, a lot of the executive
producers weren't convinced that the Birds of

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Prey were going to be powerful enough to go up
against a force. So at one point, we thought it

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might work to have Jessica Cruz on the Birds of Prey
team, which I didn't love because Jessica Cruz has

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never been a member of the Birds of Prey. But we
thought it would help balance things out. Yeah.

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When we ran the stats though, like Green Lanterns
are so impressive statistically that not only did

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Jessica Cruz end up being the most powerful member
out of either of the teams, but she also raised the

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value of the team to the point where it was unfair.
Because despite what people may think, Birds of

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Prey are quite impressive statistically, at
least when it comes to fighting skill and

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intelligence and perception. Yeah, they're
pretty well rounded characters, which was

508
00:49:43,350 --> 00:49:48,930
surprising to see. Like you definitely had the
most powerful character out of either team in

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Captain Marvel. And for the most part, like your
characters were way stronger than mine in terms of

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strength and damage. Yeah, that's definitely
what my team excelled at, especially with

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characters like Dazzler and Nico Minoru and Ms.
Marvel. They were really good in terms of like

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range and damage potential and not a whole lot
else. Although because of Ms. Marvel's construct

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shielding and Dazzler's energy shielding and
Nico Minoru's magic shields, A-Force did come out

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slightly ahead in evasiveness. I didn't use
nearly enough shields in that speculation. But

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thankfully my team was faster and more
perceptive. Yeah, in terms of speed, you had Power

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Girl and Dove who are like really fucking fast.
Also, Hawk Girl was really fast and so was Vixen.

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Really the fastest person on my team was Captain
Marvel and everybody else was just okay in terms of

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movement speed. When it came to perception, like
you said, Power Girl has multiple advanced

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00:50:45,370 --> 00:50:50,410
senses. So does Vixen. Dove has her dangerous
sense. And the ladies in A-Force, you know, you

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have Spider Woman with her acute hearing and
Captain Marvel with her cosmic awareness. But

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everybody else on my team basically just had their
eyes and ears. Right. So taking all of this into

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account, Joseph, who do you think came out on top?
A-Force. Final answer. I think Instagram is

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00:51:06,970 --> 00:51:14,990
backing me up on this one too. They are. I put the
poll up pretty late, but so far it looks like 62% of

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our Instagram followers who voted are siding with
A-Force. But let's see if they actually get the

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00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:29,050
win. NK, the results please. Here you are, sir. The
winner of the TeamDuel matchup between Birds of

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00:51:29,050 --> 00:51:39,950
Prey and A-Force is Birds of Prey. Bullshit.
Bullshit. Birds of Prey, motherfucker. Run the

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00:51:39,950 --> 00:51:47,390
stats again. Run them again. We already ran
thousands. How is that possible? I am as surprised

528
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:54,710
as you are. But it looks like based on these
results, Birds of Prey wins 51.4% of the matches

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compared to A-Force who won 48.6. That's really
close. I still don't buy it. Not going to lie, I did

530
00:52:04,270 --> 00:52:09,910
not see this coming. My guys are powerful. Yeah,
your guys are smarter, but what are they going to

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do? Just like outsmart my guys? Well, it looks like
the biggest discrepancy came down to fighting

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skill. Like, my guys are way better fighters. Some
of the best fighters in DC with characters like

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Black Canary. Well, I have Mockingbird on my team.
And? She's the best fighter on my team. But why do

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you need fighting skill when you have raw energy
power? Why do you need raw energy power when you

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have raw intelligence? Backroll was by far the
smartest member out of either team. She really

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leveled up my team in that regard. And actually,
one of Dove's superpowers is that she has enhanced

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intelligence. It just makes me think that while
the final results were close, Birds of Prey were

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able to execute teamwork, cheap shot tactics over
the A-Force who isn't quite as cohesive a team,

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maybe. Yeah, well, I mean, if I had to choose a team
leader between Batgirl and She-Hulk, it would

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definitely be Batgirl. She's much more of a
strategic mind. Well, She-Hulk won a little over

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half of all of her matches, whereas Batgirl won
just over a third of her matches. Actually, the

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person with the highest win rate was Captain
Marvel, winning a little over 84% of all of her

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fights, followed by Powergirl, who won 80%. Which
makes sense, because like I have She-Hulk on my

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team, Captain Marvel, they'll definitely put up
more of a fight than some of my other characters.

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You also had the character with the lowest win
rate, which was Mockingbird. That's right, she

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really dragged down my team, for sure. I think
maybe I should have replaced her with someone

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else. How am I going to bring a chicken to this fight
with two metal poles going up against essentially

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Supergirl? Yeah, the original Supergirl. I don't
know what to say, man. I eeked this one out, but boy,

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am I glad I did. Here's to all the Lady DC fans. This
one's for you. For Women's History Month, DC is

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going down in history as the winners. It's not
history in March, man. It's called herstory.

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Okay? Get it right. That does it for this duel. A.J.
and N.K. help close us out. Don't forget to listen

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to the other shows in the Dynamite podcast
network, including Max Destruction, Senjo

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World, and Console Combat. In our next episode, we
will be doing a review. This time of the

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direct-to-video DC animated film Batman Ninja
vs. Yakuza League. I cannot wait to see it. I've

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been looking forward to this for a long time. I
think it's going to be fun. I hope it sucks, but that

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does it for this episode. We want to give a big
thanks to our executive producers, John

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Strausky, Zachary Hepburn, Mickey Mata-Gian,
Brandon Essigard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Aitin,

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Austin Wieselowski, A.J. Dunkerly, Nick Abonto,
Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spees, Dean

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Moleski, Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting, Josh
Leiner, Mike Williams, and Oscar Galvez for

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helping make this podcast possible. We'll talk to
you guys next week. Up up and away. True believers.

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I love women's.