Mongul vs Annihilus

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And in this episode, we are going to pit the 22 00:02:21,647 --> 00:02:28,831 DC villain of Mongol against the Marvel villain, Annihilus. They're both intergalactic tyrants, 23 00:02:29,171 --> 00:02:34,414 and we thought it would be a good matchup in lead up to our review of the Marvels. Right, 24 00:02:34,454 --> 00:02:39,815 yeah, Captain Marvel is a cosmic level hero, so we're doing a duel with cosmic level bad 25 00:02:39,855 --> 00:02:44,177 guys. Both of these characters are pretty interesting, so I can't wait to tell you all about them 26 00:02:44,217 --> 00:02:48,278 later on in this episode. Before that, we're going to break down the comic book movie news 27 00:02:48,298 --> 00:02:55,581 from the past week, of which there was one major news item, and that was the first Echo official 28 00:02:55,621 --> 00:03:00,555 trailer for the upcoming Disney Plus series. 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Be sure guys to tune into the 44 00:04:37,161 --> 00:04:39,843 Max Destruction podcast this week which is part of the Dynomic 45 00:04:43,022 --> 00:04:47,585 We're going to pick Roger Murtaugh from the Lethal Weapon franchise against John McClane 46 00:04:47,945 --> 00:04:53,309 from Die Hard. That'll be a good one. Also tune into the Send Your World podcast this Thursday 47 00:04:53,609 --> 00:04:59,793 to find out who would win in an anime battle between Hashirama Senju from Naruto and William 48 00:04:59,873 --> 00:05:06,938 Vangence from Black Clover. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click in the link in our show notes to listen 49 00:05:06,978 --> 00:05:12,598 to all the shows in the Dynamike Podcast Network. But with that out of the way, quick! to the 50 00:05:12,638 --> 00:05:19,384 No Prize! A No Prize is an award Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the Dynamic 51 00:05:19,444 --> 00:05:24,669 Dual No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram and in our email newsletter for the 52 00:05:24,689 --> 00:05:29,233 person that we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. For last week we 53 00:05:29,373 --> 00:05:35,638 asked, what was your favorite Netflix Marvel television series and why? And this was coming 54 00:05:35,698 --> 00:05:41,001 off the news that the Daredevil born again series has got a showrunner in Dario Scartapane who 55 00:05:41,061 --> 00:05:46,384 was a writer on the Punisher Netflix series. Yeah, it was pretty exciting news. We got quite 56 00:05:46,404 --> 00:05:50,446 a few answers. So we'll break down all of the honorable mentions before revealing this week's 57 00:05:50,486 --> 00:05:56,970 no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Travis Herndon, who said, Hey guys, 58 00:05:57,050 --> 00:06:02,153 Travis here. So my pick would have to be the defenders. I think that show was a pretty good 59 00:06:02,213 --> 00:06:09,160 series. kind of Avengers like having all the street level heroes team up together to fight 60 00:06:09,220 --> 00:06:13,843 a common foe. Oh, it makes me really hope that maybe we might get another season or maybe 61 00:06:13,923 --> 00:06:19,947 bring the defenders into the main MCU. So my pick would definitely be defenders. Yeah. Great 62 00:06:20,007 --> 00:06:24,189 answer, Travis. I actually really like the defenders. For some reason it gets a lot of shit from 63 00:06:24,209 --> 00:06:30,152 a lot of people, I think because Iron Fist wasn't that smart in the series and there were some 64 00:06:30,192 --> 00:06:35,495 plot elements like with the the dragons underneath New York City and stuff that were kind of stupid. 65 00:06:35,935 --> 00:06:41,658 But I really love the interactions between all four of the defenders characters, including 66 00:06:41,758 --> 00:06:46,720 Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist. It was the best part of the show and 67 00:06:46,780 --> 00:06:50,681 it kind of felt the most comic booky out of all of the Marvel Netflix series. So I can 68 00:06:50,761 --> 00:06:57,564 totally see why this could be somebody's favorite. I mean, for me, the defenders was my second 69 00:06:57,804 --> 00:07:02,899 least favorite Netflix Marvel series. mostly because I think I had a villain problem, but 70 00:07:02,979 --> 00:07:07,160 I can't deny the fact that it was cool to see all the characters from these other shows that 71 00:07:07,180 --> 00:07:11,682 we were watching come together, just like the Avengers movie, you know, it had that same 72 00:07:11,722 --> 00:07:17,845 appeal. For sure, yeah. I hope the Disney Plus series carries forward the Defenders concept 73 00:07:17,965 --> 00:07:21,647 in some way, shape or form for that platform. Yeah, it would be really cool if they brought 74 00:07:21,667 --> 00:07:26,829 back the actors for Luke Cage and Jessica Jones specifically. And the Punisher. And Electra. 75 00:07:28,310 --> 00:07:33,554 Just fucking everybody but Iron Fist. Our next honorable mention goes to Anson Millard, who 76 00:07:33,634 --> 00:07:40,760 said, Hey, it's Anson Millard. My favorite Marvel Netflix show was Luke Cage. I feel like that 77 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:48,006 is the underdog pick for this. So Luke Cage, I feel like had the best action scenes from 78 00:07:48,046 --> 00:07:54,872 the standpoint of just having one overpowered guy go against entire mobs of people. I also 79 00:07:54,912 --> 00:07:59,227 love the music in there, bulletproof love. It was awesome. It's cool that Method Man showed 80 00:07:59,307 --> 00:08:05,012 up and just great villains, great show. Oh, for sure. There was a lot to love about the 81 00:08:05,052 --> 00:08:10,076 Luke Cage television series, especially season two, which I was a big fan of. But Luke Cage 82 00:08:10,096 --> 00:08:14,439 brought so many unique things to the table, including the music. The action was really 83 00:08:14,539 --> 00:08:19,703 awesome, although you kind of wonder why bad guys even bother to bring guns to their fights 84 00:08:19,883 --> 00:08:26,627 anymore, you know. And for like the Iron Fist series, you wondered why nobody brought guns 85 00:08:26,747 --> 00:08:30,929 to those fights. They were all martial artists. But yeah, it was a great series and my culture 86 00:08:30,949 --> 00:08:36,051 was just phenomenal in the role. It is an absolute tragedy that story was not able to continue 87 00:08:36,071 --> 00:08:40,993 into a season 3. Like I'm still dying to learn what happened afterward. Right, yeah that was 88 00:08:41,013 --> 00:08:46,576 a great cliffhanger ending for season 2. It was so godfather! It was so good! Our next 89 00:08:46,616 --> 00:08:52,307 honorable mention goes to Lizzie Dyer Arnie, who said... Hey, it's Lizzie. 100%, I have 90 00:08:52,327 --> 00:08:57,951 to say, my favorite Marvel Netflix show was Daredevil. Seasons one and three were definitely 91 00:08:57,991 --> 00:09:02,454 pure perfection. Season two wasn't as good with the Defenders crossover, didn't like that. 92 00:09:03,014 --> 00:09:08,418 But I mean, you have Matt Murdock. He's a blind lawyer. He's got elevated super senses and 93 00:09:08,438 --> 00:09:13,521 he's defending Hill's Kitchen. You got Marcy, Foggy, Karen. They're the best side characters 94 00:09:13,541 --> 00:09:18,044 you can ask for. If they're not in the new Disney version, I'm really not interested. Yeah, this 95 00:09:18,085 --> 00:09:21,566 is kind of the obvious answer, right? the common answer, at least two other people gave the 96 00:09:21,646 --> 00:09:27,088 answer of Daredevil because it was phenomenal. And hopefully Disney Plus can carry forward 97 00:09:27,188 --> 00:09:32,809 that greatness as much as they can with their upcoming Born Again series. It sounds like 98 00:09:32,989 --> 00:09:37,851 Disney is trying to recapture some of that previous magic. Except of course when it comes to the 99 00:09:37,871 --> 00:09:42,992 supporting cast, right? Because Karen and Foggy are not returning and that's really a shame 100 00:09:43,032 --> 00:09:48,426 because a big part of you know any superhero is his supporting cast. for them to not be 101 00:09:48,526 --> 00:09:53,727 in the upcoming Born Again series is really a shame, especially since the series seems 102 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:59,429 at least to have been going heavily down the road of a courtroom drama, and for Matt to 103 00:09:59,549 --> 00:10:04,910 not have his firm partner there with him in Foggy Nelson, it's kind of a shame. Well, I 104 00:10:04,950 --> 00:10:09,652 heard the whole reason they're not going with those actors specifically was because if they 105 00:10:09,752 --> 00:10:15,853 did, they would need to pay the old Netflix Daredevil show writers like some sort of creative 106 00:10:15,933 --> 00:10:20,339 residuals. and they don't want to do that. That's super lame. They're Disney. They have all the 107 00:10:20,379 --> 00:10:26,060 money in the world. They should do it. I just think they really hate Netflix. But oh, great 108 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:31,282 answer Lizzie, Nate Mantineo and Abner O'Tary worthy to others who gave the answer of Daredevil 109 00:10:31,322 --> 00:10:35,323 as well. So thanks to everyone who took the time to visit our website and record an answer. 110 00:10:35,703 --> 00:10:43,158 But the winner of this week's no prize is Braden Johnston who said, hey, Braden J here. New 111 00:10:43,178 --> 00:10:48,319 to the podcast, I've been loving every second of it, but I'd say my favorite Marvel Netflix 112 00:10:48,339 --> 00:10:53,540 series would have to be The Punisher. I discovered it a few years ago, right after I had my daughter, 113 00:10:53,580 --> 00:10:58,922 and so Frank's story really kinda hit home with me there. And especially getting into season 114 00:10:58,962 --> 00:11:04,643 two, that's where everything got amplified for me. Just the story, the emotional beats, the 115 00:11:04,743 --> 00:11:10,485 action, and everything just got way better after that. I do feel that since the Punisher Netflix 116 00:11:10,525 --> 00:11:15,219 series came out later, than the other shows, like after The Defenders aired and everything 117 00:11:15,239 --> 00:11:20,722 like that, the Punisher was often overlooked, I think, both seasons. But I think that's really 118 00:11:20,762 --> 00:11:25,705 a shame because both seasons were really well done. I think Jon Bernthal was an incredible 119 00:11:25,745 --> 00:11:31,188 Punisher and it's nice to see that there are people out there that appreciate the show as 120 00:11:31,228 --> 00:11:36,391 much as I do. It brought so much nuance to the character of Frank Castle that I think a lot 121 00:11:36,471 --> 00:11:40,373 of other adaptations, they kind of wrote him off as like this really one note character, 122 00:11:40,733 --> 00:11:46,899 but. to really explore the depth of the Punisher is to make them so much more interesting. And 123 00:11:46,939 --> 00:11:52,681 I think that was the true strength of the Punisher Netflix television series. Absolutely, yeah, 124 00:11:52,701 --> 00:11:56,662 I loved this series both seasons. I don't know if we're gonna get another Punisher series 125 00:11:56,702 --> 00:12:01,304 for Disney Plus, like we're doing for Daredevil, but the Punisher was supposed to appear in 126 00:12:01,344 --> 00:12:06,585 the Daredevil Born Again series, and we'll see if the creative reboot changes that. I hope 127 00:12:06,625 --> 00:12:10,787 it doesn't. Yeah, that would be a shame if we lost the chance to see Jon Bernthal in the 128 00:12:10,807 --> 00:12:14,649 role again. But great answer, Brayden Johnston, you're the winner of this week's No Prize. 129 00:12:15,029 --> 00:12:19,331 If you the listener want a shot at winning your own No Prize, stay tuned to later on this episode 130 00:12:19,371 --> 00:12:24,833 when we'll be asking another Question of the Week. And now that that's done, on to the news! 131 00:12:30,446 --> 00:12:35,908 This past week we got the first official trailer for the Echo television series that's going 132 00:12:35,928 --> 00:12:40,830 to come out on Disney Plus. Later on next year, we thought maybe the show was going to come 133 00:12:40,870 --> 00:12:46,532 out in November of this year but it's actually coming out January 10th on Disney Plus and 134 00:12:46,972 --> 00:12:53,995 on Hulu. The overall tone of the trailer surprised me. I don't know what I was expecting. Honestly, 135 00:12:54,035 --> 00:12:58,417 I was not expecting much from this Echo television series but the best thing that I could say 136 00:12:58,457 --> 00:13:04,199 about it is... that it really seems to be carrying forward the vibe that was set in the Daredevil 137 00:13:04,259 --> 00:13:07,961 Netflix series. I was really impressed with what we saw here. I'm really hoping that the 138 00:13:08,001 --> 00:13:11,983 trailer doesn't end up better than the show itself, but at the very least, the trailer 139 00:13:12,003 --> 00:13:18,025 got me hyped, which is what it's supposed to do. I was also shocked by this trailer. This 140 00:13:18,425 --> 00:13:23,827 show went from the bottom of my list to what I'm interested in watching to the top for Marvel. 141 00:13:24,288 --> 00:13:28,589 Yeah, I mean, because Echo wasn't all that compelling in the Hawkeye television series, right? Right. 142 00:13:28,866 --> 00:13:33,648 but to really explore her past with the Kingpin, and you know, honestly, just to have the Kingpin 143 00:13:33,668 --> 00:13:42,111 back, Vincent DiNardfeo's portrayal of the character is so freaking impactful. Literally, you see 144 00:13:42,151 --> 00:13:48,134 him just like, pounding this dude into the dumpster, into the pavement in this trailer. It really 145 00:13:48,294 --> 00:13:52,676 seems to be setting a new tone for what we get from Marvel Studios and the maturity level, 146 00:13:53,016 --> 00:13:57,778 and of course again, the tone. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I've been knocking the Kingpin. as 147 00:13:57,798 --> 00:14:01,841 part of the MCU ever since we saw him in Hawkeye because I thought Disney really screwed the 148 00:14:01,861 --> 00:14:08,546 character over. But this trailer makes up for all of that. I recant my blasphemy. He is amazing 149 00:14:08,606 --> 00:14:14,150 as the character. Yo, on Hawkeye, he was a little bit cartoony, right? Right. But that was just 150 00:14:14,170 --> 00:14:18,113 kind of the vibe of the show. But here, the vibe is much more keeping with the character 151 00:14:18,253 --> 00:14:23,797 as we know him from previous seasons. And regarding the whole vibe, it seems like Marvel is introducing 152 00:14:23,857 --> 00:14:30,134 a new brand. for these type of character-driven, grounded stories, that's gonna be called Marvel 153 00:14:30,334 --> 00:14:35,738 Spotlight, which was the name of a comic book title that Marvel used to produce to introduce 154 00:14:35,778 --> 00:14:40,963 new characters or put a spotlight on lesser-known characters within the comics. Yeah, this will 155 00:14:40,983 --> 00:14:46,567 be Marvel Studios' first sub banner, which is interesting, that it would debut with something 156 00:14:46,627 --> 00:14:51,892 like Echo. Right, we've seen Marvel have a sub banner before when it comes to film productions, 157 00:14:52,072 --> 00:14:56,743 like with Punisher Warzone. and Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance, those were under the Marvel 158 00:14:56,803 --> 00:15:02,025 Knights banner. But that was abandoned. Usually those productions were other studios. But now 159 00:15:02,065 --> 00:15:05,866 that Marvel owns everything except for, you know, Spider-Man, they've created their own 160 00:15:05,926 --> 00:15:09,508 sub-brand in Marvel Spotlight, which I think is pretty interesting. I don't know if it's 161 00:15:09,548 --> 00:15:15,290 entirely necessary. Do you think it means that Echo is not in the MCU? No, I just think people 162 00:15:15,310 --> 00:15:19,872 don't have to worry about whether it is going to be or not. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. 163 00:15:20,152 --> 00:15:24,646 Like it's not going to connect to any larger story. It's just an interesting standalone 164 00:15:24,686 --> 00:15:31,909 story. At the very least, I think it'll keep this trend that we have among fans to try to 165 00:15:31,989 --> 00:15:38,552 spot Easter eggs and connections to the larger saga that's going on currently, the multiversal 166 00:15:38,572 --> 00:15:43,894 saga or other television shows and stuff like that. I think it just allows fans to just focus 167 00:15:44,014 --> 00:15:49,376 on the story as kind of a standalone thing as opposed to dissecting it to death. And thank 168 00:15:49,437 --> 00:15:57,902 goodness, Oh look, Mephisto confirmed shit. Yeah, break from that kind of over analysis 169 00:15:58,062 --> 00:16:03,125 is something that I think would extremely benefit the MCU as a whole. But regarding the trailer, 170 00:16:03,265 --> 00:16:09,169 you know, it starts off with young Echo, Maya Lopez, trying to order an ice cream from an 171 00:16:09,249 --> 00:16:14,573 ice cream cart and the vendor is being a dick to her because she's not able to speak given 172 00:16:14,593 --> 00:16:19,036 that she's deaf. For his slight against this little girl, Kingpin beats the shit out of 173 00:16:19,076 --> 00:16:25,921 him. Maybe to death? We know that in the comics and in the MCU continuity, Kingpin basically 174 00:16:25,981 --> 00:16:32,266 raises this little girl as if she were his own and he loves her. He sees a lot of himself 175 00:16:32,487 --> 00:16:37,571 in Maya. I really love the effect they gave for all of the impacts throughout this entire 176 00:16:37,611 --> 00:16:44,377 trailer of like echoes. Like when the Kingpin hits the guy selling the ice cream, the sound 177 00:16:44,437 --> 00:16:49,341 of his punch repeats itself. Right, yeah, and it actually transforms during the course of 178 00:16:49,361 --> 00:16:53,558 the trailer. into more of a Native American chant toward the end. I don't know if you caught 179 00:16:53,578 --> 00:16:57,039 that, but that was pretty interesting. One of the things I learned about the show is that 180 00:16:57,579 --> 00:17:02,921 Echo is not gonna have the traditional powers that she has from the comics in this show. 181 00:17:03,241 --> 00:17:08,963 So if you listen to our question versus Echo episode that we've done on this podcast, you'll 182 00:17:08,983 --> 00:17:12,924 learn all about the backstory of Echo and what her actual powers are, which are kind of like 183 00:17:12,944 --> 00:17:19,565 Taskmaster. She's able to view a physical action and then recreate it through her experienced 184 00:17:20,034 --> 00:17:24,676 physical training. Now, do you think that's because of Taskmaster and how we've already 185 00:17:24,756 --> 00:17:29,479 seen her in the MCU in the Black Widow movie? Yeah, I think it's possible that since Echo 186 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:35,282 and Taskmaster have almost the same powers that the MCU would want to differentiate that. I 187 00:17:35,362 --> 00:17:40,726 guess the abilities that Echo is going to have in this show derive from her Native American 188 00:17:40,906 --> 00:17:45,628 heritage, specifically the Choctaw tribe. I think I'm pronouncing that right. And she basically 189 00:17:45,688 --> 00:17:50,531 calls upon the spirits of her ancestors. which give her certain abilities. Which is interesting, 190 00:17:50,791 --> 00:17:54,873 I don't know, I understand why they may be changing their powers. Honestly, I don't love that. 191 00:17:54,953 --> 00:17:59,815 I'm kind of okay with Taskmaster and Echo having similar abilities. There is a tendency though, 192 00:18:00,155 --> 00:18:06,878 I find, for ethnically diverse characters to draw their powers from their heritage, which 193 00:18:06,938 --> 00:18:10,780 I don't think is always necessary. I think that's overdone. I think it's far more interesting 194 00:18:10,820 --> 00:18:15,462 for them to just have powers and not go too overboard. Because honestly, okay. So I'm all 195 00:18:15,482 --> 00:18:20,643 for inclusion. I'm the biggest proponent of diversity in comics and television shows and 196 00:18:20,683 --> 00:18:26,725 film, but transforming Echo's powers to be more cultural like this is almost like changing 197 00:18:26,805 --> 00:18:31,526 Daredevil's radar sense to be like the sight of God or something because he's Catholic, 198 00:18:31,886 --> 00:18:37,228 right? You don't always have to tie in the powers into the character's identity. Sometimes it's 199 00:18:37,308 --> 00:18:41,209 better just for the characters to have identity and then deal with their own powers. Like Blue 200 00:18:41,229 --> 00:18:46,554 Beetle, look at Blue Beetle. His Khajiitah scarab. actually has nothing to do with his Mexican 201 00:18:46,594 --> 00:18:51,235 heritage, but he's still a fascinating character. Look at a character like Wolverine or a lot 202 00:18:51,275 --> 00:18:56,177 of the X-Men actually, like Storm, Banshee, all of these characters that are not so boxed 203 00:18:56,277 --> 00:19:01,759 in with their abilities. Yeah, I mean, I agree with what you've said, but I also don't mind 204 00:19:01,819 --> 00:19:06,220 the Native American heritage thing. As long as it's something I've never seen before, I 205 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:11,161 think I'm interested. If she did have the same powers as Taskmaster, I'd be like, oh, redundant 206 00:19:11,181 --> 00:19:14,663 character. You know, and I don't want Echo to be a redundant character. That's a great point. 207 00:19:14,803 --> 00:19:19,246 I mean, you are also coming from the perspective of someone who's not really an Echo fan or 208 00:19:19,306 --> 00:19:23,728 read any of the Echo comics. Exactly. So you probably don't give a shit if they change her 209 00:19:24,168 --> 00:19:28,931 too drastically like that. But all that being said, you're right. If they do it well enough, 210 00:19:29,331 --> 00:19:34,314 it could be fascinating and it could be really cool to see and a great way to include Native 211 00:19:34,354 --> 00:19:39,397 American cultural aspects. Right. Yeah. And I'm not sure about what all of her different 212 00:19:39,417 --> 00:19:44,508 powers are going to be. but it does look like she has the power to kick ass, which is all 213 00:19:44,568 --> 00:19:48,411 I need from the show, really. It was like way more hardcore than I thought it was going to 214 00:19:48,431 --> 00:19:52,314 be. Oh, it looks super violent. Yeah, you see people getting straight up shot in the face 215 00:19:52,454 --> 00:19:57,578 in this trailer, which I was not expecting. One thing I wanted to touch on though, is that 216 00:19:57,598 --> 00:20:03,362 they did reveal what Echo's superhero costume looks like online. Oh, I did not see that. 217 00:20:03,822 --> 00:20:07,925 Yeah, they revealed it at a Q&A session that they did at the Chalk.Nation's annual Powwow 218 00:20:08,045 --> 00:20:12,187 event. where they screen the first two episodes of the show. It looks very much like, you know, 219 00:20:12,367 --> 00:20:17,868 traditional Native American garb updated for a modern era, kind of like what they did with 220 00:20:17,948 --> 00:20:23,390 traditional African garb in the Black Panther movie, how it was brought into the modern era. 221 00:20:23,730 --> 00:20:28,911 Looks pretty cool. Oh, interesting. Honestly, I would have just settled for the white poem 222 00:20:28,951 --> 00:20:33,633 on the face, but this works too. It's a little bit more colorful than I thought it would be, 223 00:20:33,953 --> 00:20:39,432 especially given that the character of... Echo's costume in the comics is mostly black and white, 224 00:20:39,672 --> 00:20:45,957 you know? Right. We got the ever so slightest, briefest of shots of Daredevil in this trailer. 225 00:20:46,097 --> 00:20:50,220 It was kind of like a blink and you'll miss it type thing, but it looked incredible. He's 226 00:20:50,260 --> 00:20:54,923 like diving across this room or something like that. And yeah, it looks fantastic. I can't 227 00:20:54,943 --> 00:20:59,967 wait to see Daredevil in the show. But more importantly than that, I love that they didn't 228 00:21:00,007 --> 00:21:05,094 make that Daredevil cameo the highlight of this trailer. They kept the focus. on the relationship 229 00:21:05,414 --> 00:21:10,476 between Echo and Kingpin. And I think that's where it needs to stay. I did blink and miss 230 00:21:10,536 --> 00:21:15,218 it because I had no idea Daredevil was in the trailer. Is he wearing his yellow suit or his 231 00:21:15,298 --> 00:21:20,601 red suit? It's like black. It's really dark in the room. It's hard to tell. Huh? Well, 232 00:21:20,621 --> 00:21:24,002 it looks like I'm going to have to frame by frame this shit now. Oh, yeah. Look at that. 233 00:21:24,642 --> 00:21:29,945 Eh. What do you mean? Eh. Piece of shit. You know, it's fucking awesome. I'll need to see 234 00:21:29,985 --> 00:21:35,294 more. I can't wait to see more. Yeah. and we'll see more on January 10th. It's only five episodes 235 00:21:35,314 --> 00:21:39,862 that are all dropping at once, so we'll be reviewing the show the following Tuesday. But speaking 236 00:21:39,902 --> 00:21:44,028 of the Echo series and the Marvel Spotlight banner, that brings us to our question of the 237 00:21:44,048 --> 00:21:44,269 week. 238 00:21:48,866 --> 00:21:55,071 Which not currently existing MCU character would you like to see get their own mini series under 239 00:21:55,091 --> 00:22:01,215 the Marvel Spotlight banner and why? Yeah, and again, this has to be specifically a character 240 00:22:01,235 --> 00:22:06,880 that we have not seen under a Marvel Studios film or television series. Yeah, and we'll 241 00:22:06,940 --> 00:22:11,424 include the Netflix characters in that too, so none of the defenders or Punisher. Record 242 00:22:11,444 --> 00:22:15,267 your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right 243 00:22:15,287 --> 00:22:19,502 hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could 244 00:22:19,522 --> 00:22:23,466 be up to 30 seconds long. And don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the 245 00:22:23,486 --> 00:22:28,331 podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and award that person a dynamic dual no prize that 246 00:22:28,351 --> 00:22:34,697 we'll post to Instagram and our email newsletter. Be sure to answer before November 11th. 247 00:22:41,870 --> 00:22:45,255 But I think that does it for all the news for this episode. Now let's move on to the main 248 00:22:45,295 --> 00:22:52,007 event where we find out who will win in a matchup between the villain characters of Mongol and 249 00:22:52,388 --> 00:22:53,049 Annihilus. 250 00:23:08,202 --> 00:23:13,564 Okay, Mongul versus Annihilus. As we mentioned earlier in the episode, both of these characters 251 00:23:13,905 --> 00:23:20,028 are tyrannical, intergalactic villains. Mongul is primarily a Superman and Green Lantern villain, 252 00:23:20,308 --> 00:23:25,111 although he's gone up against other superheroes before. Annihilus, if I'm not mistaken, is 253 00:23:25,151 --> 00:23:31,434 primarily a Fantastic Four villain. Correct. Yes, although he's posed quite the thorn in 254 00:23:31,494 --> 00:23:36,197 the side of all of Marvel's cosmic level heroes, including the Guardians of the Galaxy, Silver 255 00:23:36,237 --> 00:23:41,087 Surfer, Nova, and whatnot. Right. I don't know much about him other than that he's pretty 256 00:23:41,147 --> 00:23:45,530 powerful. So I'm actually looking forward to learning more about him. Really? Well, I'm 257 00:23:45,550 --> 00:23:50,013 not looking forward to learning about Mongol because he's DC and I don't give a shit. Well, 258 00:23:50,033 --> 00:23:57,018 that's your fucking mistake is Mongols dope. He's really cool. You'll see. I mean, he wasn't 259 00:23:57,058 --> 00:24:03,383 that dope in the recent Warworld movie, the animated one. He was kind of that's lame. Yeah, 260 00:24:03,543 --> 00:24:07,565 that's he was actually really lame. He was done much better in the Justice League cartoon. 261 00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:12,437 And at least he has fucking been on the screen. We have yet to see anything about Annihilus, 262 00:24:12,597 --> 00:24:17,421 pretty sure. Annihilus has been in a cartoon, I'm fairly certain. Well, it was shitty then, 263 00:24:17,461 --> 00:24:22,886 because no one knows about it. To explain the methodology behind your duels, let's go to 264 00:24:22,906 --> 00:24:29,051 our sentient dual simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K, tell our listeners how you go about determining 265 00:24:29,131 --> 00:24:34,062 a winner in our dual matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the 266 00:24:34,102 --> 00:24:40,144 contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo 267 00:24:40,184 --> 00:24:44,465 simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. 268 00:24:44,905 --> 00:24:49,806 In this case, I randomise the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate 269 00:24:49,826 --> 00:24:54,407 the many variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters are based on the official 270 00:24:54,467 --> 00:24:58,569 Marvel power grid from which the DC characters statistics are extrapolated. 271 00:25:02,018 --> 00:25:07,123 damage potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate 272 00:25:07,163 --> 00:25:12,569 simulation. The results of the 1000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. 273 00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:17,595 The contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor as they have a higher probability 274 00:25:17,635 --> 00:25:23,401 to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 100% of the matches. 275 00:25:23,938 --> 00:25:28,440 The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so 276 00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:32,342 the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established 277 00:25:32,362 --> 00:25:37,925 in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are 278 00:25:37,965 --> 00:25:42,368 not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 279 00:25:43,929 --> 00:25:48,831 Thanks AJ9K! Before we run the simulations though, we like to break down each character's histories 280 00:25:48,851 --> 00:25:54,374 and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations 281 00:25:54,394 --> 00:25:59,056 would play out B for B. And I believe it's my turn to go first with the Marvel character, 282 00:25:59,096 --> 00:26:06,219 so let me go ahead and tell you all about Annihilus. Many millennia ago, in the antimatter universe 283 00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:12,301 known as the Negative Zone, a technologically advanced species known as the Tianans traveled 284 00:26:12,342 --> 00:26:18,404 throughout the dimension seeding life spores across barren planets. A freak meteor collision 285 00:26:18,464 --> 00:26:24,066 forced one of the Tianan spore ships to crash onto a planet Arthros, where the crew died. 286 00:26:24,686 --> 00:26:31,508 One of those spores evolved prematurely into a small insectoid creature. Remarkably intelligent, 287 00:26:31,788 --> 00:26:36,889 the creature struggled to survive, becoming convinced that everything wanted to kill it 288 00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:42,531 and that it must kill to survive. Eventually the creature discovered the Tionan Starship 289 00:26:42,951 --> 00:26:48,573 and learned how to use their advanced technology. Over time, the creature grew in size and strength, 290 00:26:48,913 --> 00:26:54,988 intent on eradicating any threat to its existence. From the starship's warp drive, the insectoid 291 00:26:55,088 --> 00:27:01,294 built the perfect weapon, the Cosmic Control Rod, and from the remaining life spores, developed 292 00:27:01,334 --> 00:27:06,718 an army of other insectoid creatures called the Scavengers. He developed armor for himself, 293 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:13,144 becoming a paranoid death spot known as Annihilus, ravaging neighboring planets just to protect 294 00:27:13,184 --> 00:27:18,029 himself from the potential danger they could pose to him. For Annihilus feared only one 295 00:27:18,089 --> 00:27:23,413 thing, death. After developing a reputation as one of the Negative Zone's most fearsome 296 00:27:23,513 --> 00:27:28,877 and powerful Warlords, Annihilus encountered the Fantastic Four for the first time. The 297 00:27:28,917 --> 00:27:34,222 superhero team had traveled into the Negative Zone when Mr. Fantastic detected the Cosmic 298 00:27:34,262 --> 00:27:40,387 Control Rod as a source of anti-particles, which they needed to treat invisible woman who was 299 00:27:40,427 --> 00:27:46,532 having cosmic ray-related complications with her pregnancy at the time. The team stole Annihilus' 300 00:27:46,572 --> 00:27:52,264 weapon and escaped his wrath. though they returned it after using it to go back home in the positive 301 00:27:52,324 --> 00:27:57,207 matter universe. You can learn more about the Fantastic Four in their duel episode against 302 00:27:57,267 --> 00:28:02,411 the Justice Society. After conquering much of the Negative Zone, Annihilus set his sights 303 00:28:02,511 --> 00:28:08,755 on the Microverse and tried to invade Subatomica. Though he was successful, he and his army were 304 00:28:08,795 --> 00:28:13,799 eventually repelled. Annihilus briefly teamed up with Mr. Fantastic when the hero was trapped 305 00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:14,399 in the Negative 306 00:28:17,762 --> 00:28:22,785 from taking over both positive and negative dimensions. After Annihilus formed a truce 307 00:28:22,825 --> 00:28:28,388 with fellow Negative Zone warlord Blastar, he showed his new ally his newest and greatest 308 00:28:28,448 --> 00:28:35,192 addition to his scavenger army, a robot created by AIM called the Super Adaptoid. Suspicious 309 00:28:35,232 --> 00:28:40,755 of Annihilus' plans, Blastar's wife sent out a distress signal to the Avengers, who came 310 00:28:40,835 --> 00:28:46,667 and defeated Annihilus, Blastar, and the Super Adaptoid. For her actions, Annihilus killed 311 00:28:46,707 --> 00:28:52,871 Blastar's wife, and Blastar in turn stole the cosmic control rod. Without his weapon of choice, 312 00:28:53,332 --> 00:28:58,896 Annihilus snuck onto Earth and took Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman's son, Franklin, hostage, 313 00:28:59,356 --> 00:29:05,100 forcing the Fantastic Four to go into the Negative Zone and confront Blastar to get it back. Though 314 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,683 Annihilus planned for his army to invade Earth's dimension through a portal in the 315 00:29:12,974 --> 00:29:18,616 The Fantastic Four, alongside the Avengers, were able to stop Annihilus. Later, he tried 316 00:29:18,636 --> 00:29:23,978 to invade the realm of Asgard when it temporarily drifted into the Negative Zone at a time when 317 00:29:24,018 --> 00:29:29,301 its Bifrost Rainbow Bridge was shattered. Annihilus was able to defeat every Asgardian warrior, 318 00:29:29,621 --> 00:29:35,664 including Thor, but was ultimately defeated by Odin. Unable to accept his defeat, Annihilus 319 00:29:35,744 --> 00:29:41,218 kidnapped Odin in his sleep, and then lost in a second battle with Thor. who then returned 320 00:29:41,378 --> 00:29:46,783 Odin back to Asgard, which was now gone from the Negative Zone. Eventually, Annihilus discovered 321 00:29:46,823 --> 00:29:51,887 his old creators, the once thought lost to time Tianans, though they were under the control 322 00:29:51,927 --> 00:29:57,091 of another villain known as Brute. Teaming up with Mr. Fantastic, Annihilus defeated the 323 00:29:57,111 --> 00:30:02,075 Brute and freed the Tianans, though Mr. Fantastic created a force field around their home planet 324 00:30:02,395 --> 00:30:07,479 to protect the species from Annihilus trying to conquer them. When a corporation called 325 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:13,003 the Gideon Trust breached the Negative Zone to mine its resources, they also stole Annihilus' 326 00:30:13,063 --> 00:30:18,308 Cosmic Control Rod. During his efforts to get his weapon back, the rod was shattered, and 327 00:30:18,348 --> 00:30:24,213 Annihilus was finally killed. However, upon his death, his body released a pod containing 328 00:30:24,373 --> 00:30:30,178 insectoid larva that was cloned from Annihilus as part of his failsafe plan for death. The 329 00:30:30,238 --> 00:30:35,822 larva grew, possessing all of Annihilus' memories and intelligence. However, it was later discovered 330 00:30:35,862 --> 00:30:41,046 that multiple cloned larvae had spawned from the pod, forcing one of the Annihilus clones 331 00:30:41,126 --> 00:30:47,130 to kill the rest. This surviving Annihilus rebuilt the cosmic control rod and discovered a powerful 332 00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:52,453 energy source known as the Opposing Force, which was the negative zone equivalent to the Power 333 00:30:52,533 --> 00:30:58,076 Cosmic, which is wielded by Silver Surfer and Galactus, both of whom you can learn more about 334 00:30:58,136 --> 00:31:03,520 in their respective dual episodes. After learning that the positive matter universe was expanding 335 00:31:03,780 --> 00:31:08,643 into the antimatter negative zone, Annihilus felt that the positive matter universe was 336 00:31:08,683 --> 00:31:15,028 now part of his domain. Using the opposing force, he led his massive insect scavenger armada 337 00:31:15,128 --> 00:31:19,971 through the energy surge that separated the two universes and he led a full assault across 338 00:31:20,011 --> 00:31:26,876 the cosmos that was called the Annihilation Wave. Annihilus's armies devastated whole galaxies 339 00:31:27,236 --> 00:31:33,027 and an untold number of worlds. He killed a multitude of cosmic heroes, captured galactus 340 00:31:33,087 --> 00:31:38,951 and all power cosmic wielding heroes, and laid waste to entire alien empires and species. 341 00:31:39,531 --> 00:31:45,054 It took the combined alliance of nearly every living hero outside of earth to eventually 342 00:31:45,114 --> 00:31:50,657 stop Annihilus and his wave. But when Nova finally ripped Annihilus' organs from out of his throat, 343 00:31:51,257 --> 00:31:56,960 Annihilus was merely reborn on a Kree planet that was ceded to his invasion, and he grew 344 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,062 to his former self back in the negative zone. Annihilus later killed the Human Torch after 345 00:32:02,082 --> 00:32:06,383 the heroes sacrificed himself to keep the Warlord from invading the positive matter universe 346 00:32:06,764 --> 00:32:12,085 from a portal in the Baxter building. The Human Torch was kept alive though using healing worms 347 00:32:12,185 --> 00:32:17,247 that stitched together his body so that Annihilus might get him to reopen the portal. But the 348 00:32:17,287 --> 00:32:22,228 heroes stole the cosmic control rod and escaped the negative zone back to Earth. Despite no 349 00:32:22,268 --> 00:32:26,669 longer wielding his weapon, Annihilus proved to be enough of a threat from his devastating 350 00:32:26,894 --> 00:32:31,837 prior invasion to earn himself a seat on the Galactic Council as a representative of the 351 00:32:31,877 --> 00:32:37,581 Negative Zone, eventually getting his rod back after a fight with the Fantastic Four. Later 352 00:32:37,681 --> 00:32:43,005 Annihilus studied the Hulk and learned the secret of his Gamma Transformation from Bruce Banner. 353 00:32:43,465 --> 00:32:49,889 He used this knowledge to grow into a massive giant, from there absorbing his entire dimension, 354 00:32:50,029 --> 00:32:55,073 becoming an all-powerful entity in the Negative Zone. It took the combined efforts of the Guardians 355 00:32:55,113 --> 00:33:01,216 of the Galaxy, Thanos and the Shi'ar Imperial Guard to stop him, where Adam Warlock devolved 356 00:33:01,256 --> 00:33:06,178 Annihilus into a small bug and Thanos stomped on him. You can learn more about the Guardians 357 00:33:06,358 --> 00:33:11,780 and Thanos in their respective dual episodes. Again, Annihilus was reborn in the Negative 358 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,322 Zone where he currently remains, having recently gained a foothold in the Positive Matter universe 359 00:33:17,662 --> 00:33:23,465 by invading a planet called Praxis II and transforming it into Annihilation World, which was a new 360 00:33:23,505 --> 00:33:30,240 bridge into the Negative Zone. That's his backstory. Powers-wise, Annihilus is an evolved insectivoreid 361 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:36,903 with enhanced physical abilities including increased strength able to lift 50 tons, increased speed 362 00:33:36,963 --> 00:33:42,786 with flight, and an indestructible exoskeleton that can withstand even a nova flame. He's 363 00:33:42,846 --> 00:33:47,908 virtually immortal as his cosmic control rod halts his aging, and he has a failsafe for 364 00:33:47,988 --> 00:33:54,024 death involving resurrection via cloned larva. His cosmic control rod can also fire massive 365 00:33:54,064 --> 00:33:59,288 amounts of incredibly destructive energy, up to 10 megatons. It can manipulate matter using 366 00:33:59,328 --> 00:34:04,772 the opposing force and create portals within and to and from the negative zone to travel 367 00:34:04,812 --> 00:34:11,237 through or summon his scavengers or other creatures. He's a gifted engineer and scientist, though 368 00:34:11,257 --> 00:34:17,522 Annihilus's strategic thinking usually incorporates some form of overwhelming force. His one weakness 369 00:34:17,823 --> 00:34:23,539 is his mouth, as it's a way to get past his exoskeleton. into his more vulnerable interior. 370 00:34:23,980 --> 00:34:27,663 And that's Nihilus. I mean, I guess that's an interesting backstory. I don't think it's as 371 00:34:27,763 --> 00:34:32,667 interesting as Mongul's, I have to say. But you know, it's good enough for Marvel. He's 372 00:34:32,727 --> 00:34:36,751 basically as powerful as like a herald of Galactus, but instead of wielding the power of cosmic, 373 00:34:37,091 --> 00:34:41,355 you know, he wields the opposing force. Right, yeah, it definitely seems like a powerful dude. 374 00:34:41,775 --> 00:34:47,320 But I think Mongul's got him in this matchup. Let me tell you all about Mongul. Little is 375 00:34:47,380 --> 00:34:52,718 known about the early life of Mongul. other than he's the disgraced ruler and former tyrant 376 00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:59,460 of an unknown planet of billions, until an ancient priest named Archimandite led a revolt that 377 00:34:59,540 --> 00:35:05,022 overthrew Mongol's reign. Stripped of his power, Mongol scoured the universe for a source of 378 00:35:05,082 --> 00:35:10,984 power that granted him the strength to never lose power again. Eventually, Mongol learned 379 00:35:11,024 --> 00:35:16,045 of an artifact known as the Crystal Key that could activate a planetary weapon known as 380 00:35:16,205 --> 00:35:21,439 Warworld. The key was located in a vault on the fourth planet of the Cygnus star system, 381 00:35:21,799 --> 00:35:26,380 which was stored there by Martian Manhunter at the behest of a deceased race of peaceful 382 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:32,942 aliens known as the Largus. After failing to defeat Martian Manhunter to get the key, Mungo 383 00:35:32,982 --> 00:35:38,223 learned of Superman, and he kidnapped low slain Jimmy Olsen and Daily Planet reporter Steve 384 00:35:38,263 --> 00:35:43,745 Lombardi in order to force Superman to fight Martian Manhunter and get the key for him. 385 00:35:44,125 --> 00:35:49,144 Which Superman did. You can learn more about Superman in our Superman vs. Dr. Doom episode. 386 00:35:49,625 --> 00:35:55,429 After Martian Manhunter rescued Superman's friends, he and Superman fought Mongul together, though 387 00:35:55,449 --> 00:36:00,253 Mongul was able to teleport himself and a ship away as soon as he got his hands on the key. 388 00:36:00,733 --> 00:36:05,537 After Mongul successfully activated Warworld, the psychic link he now had over the planet 389 00:36:05,677 --> 00:36:10,961 overwhelmed him when he attempted to destroy Superman, and Mongul was forced to flee the 390 00:36:10,981 --> 00:36:16,571 battle. Later, Mungoal was able to defeat Starman on the planet Throneworld, a world capable 391 00:36:16,611 --> 00:36:21,972 of destroying other planets, and took control of its superweapon. Superman intervened by 392 00:36:22,052 --> 00:36:27,814 rescuing Starman, however, and Mungoal was once again forced to retreat. Desperate for revenge 393 00:36:27,834 --> 00:36:33,796 against Superman, Mungoal infected the hero with a parasitic psychic plant known as Black 394 00:36:33,916 --> 00:36:39,986 Mercy on Superman's birthday that placed Superman in a paralyzed dream state. where he dreamt 395 00:36:40,006 --> 00:36:45,527 that he had grown up on the planet Krypton, which had never exploded. Superman's mind rejected 396 00:36:45,567 --> 00:36:50,629 the illusion, however, and he broke free of the Black Mercy, before Mongul himself became 397 00:36:50,669 --> 00:36:55,710 infected and trapped in a never-ending dream of universal conquest. After the Crisis on 398 00:36:55,730 --> 00:37:01,512 Infinite Earth storyline merged to DC's multiverse and created a new continuity, Mongul was once 399 00:37:01,552 --> 00:37:06,673 again in control of Warworld, with which he conquered and enslaved entire star systems. 400 00:37:07,278 --> 00:37:12,580 To distract and control the denizens of his empire, Mongol hosted gladiatorial games on 401 00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:17,543 Warworld that were fought by the strongest among those he had enslaved. During a time when Superman 402 00:37:17,563 --> 00:37:22,786 had exiled himself from Earth after killing Zod, he was captured by Warworld, and Mongol 403 00:37:22,826 --> 00:37:28,929 forced Superman to compete in the arena. Superman rose amongst the gladiatorial ranks to Mongol's 404 00:37:28,949 --> 00:37:34,552 disdain, and Mongol arranged a battle between the hero and Warworld's fiercest warrior, an 405 00:37:34,713 --> 00:37:40,595 alien known as Draga. when Superman defeated Drago but refused to kill him, challenging 406 00:37:40,675 --> 00:37:46,616 Mungo in rebellion instead. An enraged Mungo attacked and nearly killed Superman before 407 00:37:46,656 --> 00:37:51,698 the hero was teleported away by an alien cleric with ties to Krypton that had been watching 408 00:37:51,738 --> 00:37:57,160 the battle. Superman's act of defiance spurred a rebellion on Warworld, and Drago was able 409 00:37:57,180 --> 00:38:02,561 to defeat Mungo and take control of the giant weapon after removing Mungo's crystal amulet 410 00:38:02,581 --> 00:38:08,143 that he wore on his chest. Swearing revenge and stealing a city-sized space cruiser, Mongul 411 00:38:08,203 --> 00:38:12,864 fled Warworld, which was later taken over by the villain Brainiac, who you can learn more 412 00:38:12,884 --> 00:38:18,025 about in our Brainiac vs Ultron episode. Mongul ended up on a small planet known as Paraton 413 00:38:18,485 --> 00:38:24,647 V, which he was able to conquer easily due to its technological inferiority. Mongul's starcraft, 414 00:38:24,687 --> 00:38:30,769 however, became infected by the mind of Hank Henshaw, who would later become Cyborg Superman, 415 00:38:31,149 --> 00:38:35,854 and who managed to overpower Mongul. as its ship was the most advanced technology accessible 416 00:38:35,914 --> 00:38:40,916 on the planet. After Superman's death at the hands of Doomsday, Mongol traveled to Earth 417 00:38:40,976 --> 00:38:46,437 under Cyborg Superman's orders and used his Starcraft to destroy Coast City, the home of 418 00:38:46,457 --> 00:38:51,278 the Green Lantern, Hal Jordan, who you can learn more about in our Green Lantern vs. Nova episode. 419 00:38:51,678 --> 00:38:57,620 In place of Coast City, Mongol quickly constructed a massive engine, which he named Engine City, 420 00:38:57,940 --> 00:39:02,801 and gave it to Cyborg Superman, who had framed another Superman imposter known as the Eradicator 421 00:39:03,214 --> 00:39:08,416 over Coast City's destruction. With plans to betray Cyborg Superman and destroy Metropolis 422 00:39:08,736 --> 00:39:13,458 in an effort to create a second engine as part of an overall plot to turn Earth into a new 423 00:39:13,538 --> 00:39:19,121 war world, Mongol's plans were foiled by the real Superman, who by this point had returned 424 00:39:19,141 --> 00:39:24,283 from the dead. Though Mongol nearly succeeded in killing Superman as Engine City was powered 425 00:39:24,303 --> 00:39:30,185 by kryptonite gas, a rage-fueled Green Lantern overpowered Mongol, who was imprisoned on Earth. 426 00:39:30,654 --> 00:39:35,678 After escaping prison multiple times, Mungle was transferred to a satellite prison orbiting 427 00:39:35,718 --> 00:39:41,302 the moon, where he was forced to undergo experimental mental reconditioning to pacify him. Mungle 428 00:39:41,362 --> 00:39:46,306 fooled the scientists there into believing that their methods were working, and when opportunity 429 00:39:46,406 --> 00:39:51,530 struck, Mungle slaughtered everyone on board and fled the solar system in a spacecraft. 430 00:39:51,851 --> 00:39:57,115 Though he nearly died adrift in space after his ship was randomly attacked, he was rescued 431 00:39:57,155 --> 00:40:02,935 by the peaceful citizens of the planet Debstam IV. which he quickly conquered. Unwilling to 432 00:40:02,955 --> 00:40:07,838 be ruled over and succumbing to a fatal disease that Mongol had unknowingly brought to the 433 00:40:07,878 --> 00:40:14,561 planet, the citizens of Depstem IV sabotaged all spacecrafts and committed suicide, trapping 434 00:40:14,601 --> 00:40:20,885 Mongol on the planet with no one to rule over save for two children, a son and daughter that 435 00:40:20,905 --> 00:40:26,228 he had fathered that were immune to the disease. Mongol was eventually teleported to Earth by 436 00:40:26,248 --> 00:40:31,935 the demon Niron, who made an example of Mongol by killing him in front of Earth's other villains. 437 00:40:32,455 --> 00:40:39,098 Mongul's son, known as Mongul II, grew rapidly and studied his father's legacy. After several 438 00:40:39,118 --> 00:40:43,720 battles with the Justice League, Mongul and his sister Mongal were teleported to their 439 00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:49,803 home planet, where Mongul killed his sister. During the Blackest Night event, Mongul II's 440 00:40:49,883 --> 00:40:54,745 father returned as a Black Lantern and killed all of the slaves that his son had acquired. 441 00:40:55,245 --> 00:41:01,962 Escaping his father, Mongul II acquired Yellow Lantern Rings by killing Yellow Lanterns, wearing 442 00:41:02,102 --> 00:41:07,827 one ring on each finger of his right hand. Mongul assumed control over the Sinestro Corps, which 443 00:41:07,867 --> 00:41:14,032 he renamed the Mongul Corps after taking control of Warworld and making it the Corps' new homeworld 444 00:41:14,092 --> 00:41:20,257 base. Sinestro later confronted Mongul, however, and, using a failsafe that Sinestro built into 445 00:41:20,358 --> 00:41:26,474 each of the Yellow Lantern Rings, defeated Mongul and retook control of the Corps. In post-Flashpoint 446 00:41:26,494 --> 00:41:33,776 continuity, Mongul was now Mongul the 1791st, and was revealed to be the descendant of a 447 00:41:33,856 --> 00:41:40,618 long line of rulers within a race of alien conquerors known as the War Zun, inhabitants of the ancient 448 00:41:40,658 --> 00:41:46,639 and powerful Warworld Prime, which had been created by the Old Gods. After assuming control 449 00:41:46,659 --> 00:41:51,161 of Warworld Prime once again, dwarfing the other Warworlds, Mongul 450 00:41:54,910 --> 00:42:00,695 over his core of yellow lanterns. Though he nearly succeeded, Sinestro turned Mongols hired 451 00:42:00,775 --> 00:42:08,762 mercenaries against him, and later Mongul was killed by his son, Mongul the 1792nd, who now 452 00:42:08,822 --> 00:42:15,227 rules over Warworld. The powers-wise, Mongul possesses vast strength and durability natural 453 00:42:15,267 --> 00:42:20,952 to the war-zoon race, who live upon the harsh environment of Warworld. The crystal amulet 454 00:42:21,012 --> 00:42:27,049 embedded on his chest passed down from the very first Mongol ruler, only increases his power 455 00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:33,113 and allows him to emit powerful energy blasts from his chest, eyes, or hands. Mongol also 456 00:42:33,153 --> 00:42:38,657 possesses an array of technological trinkets that allow him to teleport, shrink others into 457 00:42:38,717 --> 00:42:45,162 small energy cubes, and mentally control Warworld, a planet-sized weapon equipped with missiles, 458 00:42:45,542 --> 00:42:51,986 energy cannons, and war machines that can conquer and destroy other planets. Mongol is also a 459 00:42:52,026 --> 00:42:57,590 strategic and scientific genius, having created a genetically modified Black Mercy parasitic 460 00:42:57,650 --> 00:43:04,095 plant to induce paralysis by physically bringing about the hosts worst nightmares. And that's 461 00:43:04,155 --> 00:43:10,400 Mongol. Why does his story seem like a rip off of the movie Gladiator? Like why is DC so unoriginal? 462 00:43:10,740 --> 00:43:17,585 Dude, I thought the same thing, but apparently gladiators rip off of the Mongol story. It's 463 00:43:17,625 --> 00:43:22,727 crazy, right? Somebody better sue Universal Pictures is all I'm saying. That's also what 464 00:43:22,747 --> 00:43:27,353 I'm thinking. Although who knows, next year Universal may own Mongol, so they'd just be 465 00:43:27,393 --> 00:43:28,013 suing themselves. 466 00:43:35,202 --> 00:43:39,603 But now that we've got their histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one 467 00:43:39,663 --> 00:43:46,024 of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not the speculation, 468 00:43:46,305 --> 00:43:51,666 but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. Alfred Jarvis9000, what are the rules 469 00:43:51,746 --> 00:43:56,607 of our speculation? Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have 470 00:43:56,647 --> 00:44:01,409 no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is 471 00:44:01,429 --> 00:44:06,034 that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, the 472 00:44:06,054 --> 00:44:11,097 contestants will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a non-descript environment that will 473 00:44:11,117 --> 00:44:16,460 have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. 474 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,983 The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then, let's get into it. Mongol 475 00:44:22,083 --> 00:44:27,386 and Annihilus meet on the battlefield? Who goes first? I'm going to say that Annihilus goes 476 00:44:27,426 --> 00:44:34,418 first because he seems more maniacal than the more like brooding Mongol. So Annihilus starts 477 00:44:34,478 --> 00:44:39,740 off by blitzing Mongol, reaching him in less than a second, and just flying into him and 478 00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:45,503 tackling him to the ground. Okay, except that Annihilus tackles nothing but air, cause Mongol 479 00:44:45,543 --> 00:44:50,905 teleports out of the way, poof. And when Annihilus stops to look for Mongol, that's when Mongol 480 00:44:51,005 --> 00:44:56,067 reappears behind him, and with like a single punch, just knocks Annihilus into the horizon, 481 00:44:56,547 --> 00:45:03,130 to where Mongol teleports and is waiting for him. All right, well. Okay, so Annihilus, you 482 00:45:03,150 --> 00:45:07,994 know, he skids across the floor a few times and then lands at the feet of Mongol again, 483 00:45:08,674 --> 00:45:15,079 uh, looking up at him. But that's exactly where Annihilus wants him. Because from the ground, 484 00:45:15,099 --> 00:45:20,642 he's gonna fire a blast of cosmic energy from his cosmic control rod right up at Mongol. 485 00:45:21,283 --> 00:45:26,747 And the blast is so massive, it sends Mongol literally into space, into the orbit of whatever 486 00:45:26,827 --> 00:45:32,046 planet they're fighting on. And Mongol can't fly, so he's like, Whoa! you know, spinning 487 00:45:32,086 --> 00:45:38,610 around the world. But a Nihilus can fly and he flies up to Mongol and just like lands this 488 00:45:38,831 --> 00:45:45,375 massive uppercut into Mongol's big ass target of a chin. Well, I wouldn't say that Mongol 489 00:45:45,415 --> 00:45:52,240 can't fly. I think there's been some feats where it's shown that he can, but it's extremely 490 00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:57,884 rare. Mostly he's seen as like more of a leaper, like the Hulk. But sure, yeah, he's in space 491 00:45:57,924 --> 00:46:03,555 right now. And you know, he's definitely caught off guard. but as he's tumbling through space, 492 00:46:03,935 --> 00:46:10,000 that's when he summons War World into the planet's orbit, which beams both him and Annihilus to 493 00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:15,944 the planet's surface. So now this match is gonna take place in War World's battle arena. Nice. 494 00:46:16,164 --> 00:46:21,968 But I'm gonna say that if like, Mongol can summon War World into this match, then Annihilus can 495 00:46:22,008 --> 00:46:27,331 summon his Annihilation Wave. Okay? Okay. That's only fair, right? So he's gonna open up this 496 00:46:27,391 --> 00:46:32,106 portal into the negative zone using his Cosmic Control Rod. and through it is gonna come this 497 00:46:32,146 --> 00:46:38,530 entire fleet of insectivored ships and they just arrive like a plague of locusts just blotting 498 00:46:38,590 --> 00:46:43,973 out the stars with how dense their numbers are. Okay that's fine you know Warworld is gonna 499 00:46:44,013 --> 00:46:49,696 be busy blasting all these ships to smithereens and meanwhile Mongol he's gonna fire his own 500 00:46:49,776 --> 00:46:55,919 energy blast from his chest crystal which just sends a Nihilus crashing into the edge of the 501 00:46:55,959 --> 00:47:04,555 arena and Warworld citizens are like Maaagol. Yeah, and those chants quickly turn into shouts 502 00:47:04,615 --> 00:47:11,198 of, Oh my god, we're fucking dying! When the Annihilation wave just starts nuking the shit 503 00:47:11,238 --> 00:47:15,660 out of Warworld, just everything around the battle arena and the whole planet is just getting 504 00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:20,282 blasted to bits, there's devastation everywhere, but you know, Annihilus doesn't care because 505 00:47:20,302 --> 00:47:26,144 he's indestructible. And as the gladiatorial arena's floor opens up from being split from 506 00:47:26,184 --> 00:47:31,259 the destruction, Annihilus is gonna rush up to Maagol. grab him and then slam him through 507 00:47:31,279 --> 00:47:35,102 the planet's surface. Oh, you know who else doesn't care about what's happening around 508 00:47:35,122 --> 00:47:40,427 them? Mongol. Cause those nukes that are coming from the annihilation wave ships aren't doing 509 00:47:40,487 --> 00:47:46,632 shit besides revealing new layers of weaponry. Like each Mongol ruler essentially created 510 00:47:46,652 --> 00:47:52,657 a new layer of weaponized surface to Warworld Prime. So we've got like almost 2000 more layers 511 00:47:52,677 --> 00:48:00,022 to go here. So as Annihilus slams Mongol onto the next surface, Mongol just kicks Annihilus 512 00:48:00,042 --> 00:48:05,803 like miles away, and Annihilus in turn gets slammed by a massive targeted missile that 513 00:48:05,843 --> 00:48:11,285 just obliterates Annihilus along with like the next three layers of Warworld's surface, like 514 00:48:11,365 --> 00:48:18,887 leaving this giant crater. Oh yeah? Forcefield! Damn it! So in the center of this crater that 515 00:48:18,987 --> 00:48:25,109 Mongol just blasted in his own planet is Annihilus surrounded and protected by this personal cosmic 516 00:48:25,129 --> 00:48:30,971 energy forcefield. It protected him from the blast. So he's fine and he's gonna fly up to 517 00:48:31,011 --> 00:48:36,554 join the Annihilation Wave ships and he's gonna board the greatest of their ships which is 518 00:48:36,594 --> 00:48:41,837 called the Harvester of Sorrows. And that was a ship that the Annihilation Wave used to destroy 519 00:48:41,897 --> 00:48:47,640 planets and it literally uses the planet's energy as fuel. So the Harvester ship is just gonna 520 00:48:47,660 --> 00:48:53,423 send out this planet-sized energy blast that consumes Warworld with Mongul on it. I mean 521 00:48:53,563 --> 00:48:59,134 like maybe like a baby planet-sized energy blast like World Prime. No! is pretty fucking huge. 522 00:48:59,155 --> 00:49:05,939 Dude, the Annihilation Wave has destroyed plenty of planets of all sizes, some that were multiple 523 00:49:05,980 --> 00:49:13,685 times the size of Earth, so. Dude, big whoop, Warworld can destroy entire suns. So it meets 524 00:49:13,845 --> 00:49:20,110 this ship's energy blast with its own, and when the beams collide, it's gonna generate this 525 00:49:20,310 --> 00:49:27,311 massive explosion that destroys not only the Harvester of Sorrows, but the entire annihilation 526 00:49:27,351 --> 00:49:33,374 wave. And Annihilus, obviously. Okay, this has to be like a massive explosion. If this explosion 527 00:49:33,434 --> 00:49:38,937 is big enough to destroy the entire annihilation wave, that explosion is also gonna destroy 528 00:49:38,997 --> 00:49:44,460 Warworld too. Like there's no way around that. So like in the midst of space, there's all 529 00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:49,543 this debris from the planet and the ships and there's bodies everywhere and devastation, 530 00:49:50,083 --> 00:49:56,266 but surviving it all in the center of it is Annihilus. The indestructible Annihilus just 531 00:49:56,306 --> 00:50:01,908 floating in the middle of it all. Mongols vaporized. Marvel wins. I don't know what makes you think 532 00:50:01,968 --> 00:50:08,790 that Warworld would get annihilated by this. Like, it's a fucking tank planet. Yeah, and 533 00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:14,591 the Annihilation Wave is a big-ass armada. Okay, well I mean, you're probably right that Mongol 534 00:50:14,631 --> 00:50:20,993 wouldn't survive a blast that could also destroy all of Warworld Prime, as ridiculous as that 535 00:50:21,093 --> 00:50:26,836 is. So sure, Annihilus is floating out there, you know, feeling victorious. Except that the 536 00:50:26,856 --> 00:50:33,659 whole thing was a dream. What? When Mongol first teleported behind Annihilus at the beginning 537 00:50:33,699 --> 00:50:39,021 of this match, instead of punching Kim, he really just infected Annihilus with the Black Mercy 538 00:50:39,101 --> 00:50:46,044 parasitic plant, which paralyzed Annihilus and gave him this delusion of this epic battle 539 00:50:46,084 --> 00:50:50,538 in which he came out on top. But in reality, While Annihilus is just standing there grinning 540 00:50:50,579 --> 00:50:55,741 like an idiot lost in thought, that's when Mongol is just going to reach down his giant ass mouth 541 00:50:55,781 --> 00:51:03,185 and tear his spine out. Except that whole idea is stupid and I hate it. I honestly forgot 542 00:51:03,285 --> 00:51:08,868 entirely about the Black Mercy plant. But we'll leave the scenario there. Either one of two 543 00:51:08,888 --> 00:51:14,111 things happens depending on the results of this match. Either the most epic battle of all time 544 00:51:14,151 --> 00:51:20,559 happens where a whole planet and armada of ships is with Annihilus standing victorious through 545 00:51:20,579 --> 00:51:26,962 it all, or Mongol just made it all a dream with a parasitic plant and then rips out Annihilus' 546 00:51:26,982 --> 00:51:32,625 spine through his throat. That's the boring way, mine is the cool way. Hopefully Annihilus 547 00:51:32,645 --> 00:51:36,688 wins this and that epic battle really happened. But let's go ahead and enter the character 548 00:51:36,708 --> 00:51:43,592 stats and run the simulations and find out which character is going to win. AJ9K, hit it! Inputting 549 00:51:43,612 --> 00:51:50,679 data. Running calculations. Processing results. Simulations complete. So stats wise, the two 550 00:51:50,699 --> 00:51:56,283 characters were pretty even on a number of categories. You know, they're both extremely durable, they 551 00:51:56,303 --> 00:52:02,166 could both deal a ton of damage, and they both have about equal range and intelligence. There 552 00:52:02,186 --> 00:52:06,088 were a number of differences though. We said that Annihilus was faster just through the 553 00:52:06,128 --> 00:52:11,772 speed feats he has. Mongol is not quite as fast as Annihilus, seemingly according to their 554 00:52:11,812 --> 00:52:16,894 actions in the comics. Annihilus is also more evasive. than Mongol considering that not only 555 00:52:16,934 --> 00:52:23,016 can he fly, but he also can produce force fields using his cosmic control rod. And it's not 556 00:52:23,036 --> 00:52:27,957 like Mongol doesn't move again, he's sort of like the Hulk in that regard, but he does sort 557 00:52:27,997 --> 00:52:33,039 of enjoy also tanking a lot of shots. Yeah, in place he's got a big old head and that thing's 558 00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:40,041 not dodging anything. We did say Mongol was stronger than the Nihilus, definitely for sure, 559 00:52:40,201 --> 00:52:45,692 as well as a better fighter. Annihilus is kind of just like this crazed maniac brawler guy, 560 00:52:45,972 --> 00:52:51,756 but Mongol actually has a significant amount of fight training and experience. Right. Exactly. 561 00:52:52,276 --> 00:52:57,300 So considering all that, Jonathan, who is coming out on top in this match? It's got to be Mongol. 562 00:52:57,660 --> 00:53:03,544 Like, he's way stronger and, you know, he's just as durable. It's got to be Mongol. This 563 00:53:03,584 --> 00:53:08,167 guy could take on Superman. He could take on Wonder Roman. There's no way in hell he can't 564 00:53:08,207 --> 00:53:13,074 take on fucking Annihilus. Just this little bug that can be squashed. Though it looks like 565 00:53:13,154 --> 00:53:19,138 Instagram both agrees and disagrees with me because it was a 50-50 split on who they thought 566 00:53:19,158 --> 00:53:23,902 would come out on top in this match. And that's pretty surprising because we got quite a number 567 00:53:23,942 --> 00:53:29,065 of votes for this one, like around 30 or 40 or something like that. Yeah. So the fact that 568 00:53:29,105 --> 00:53:34,329 it came out pretty even makes me think that this was seemingly a pretty even matchup. Yeah, 569 00:53:34,369 --> 00:53:38,392 it definitely looks like both characters have their share of fans. Let's find out if this 570 00:53:38,472 --> 00:53:44,896 was an even matchup by revealing the winner. 8g9k the results please. Here you are sir. 571 00:53:44,956 --> 00:53:55,721 Alright the winner between the cosmic villains of mongol and anialis is Anialis But it was 572 00:53:55,821 --> 00:54:03,145 really close These guys went tit for tat Not quite even But definitely measuring up to each 573 00:54:03,205 --> 00:54:11,430 other Anialis only won 504 matches out of 1000 Holy shit! Barely squeaking over 50% at 50.4% 574 00:54:12,890 --> 00:54:20,694 where Mongol won 496 matches at 49.6%. Holy shit that is really close. These results have 575 00:54:20,714 --> 00:54:24,936 got to be the closest to what our Instagram followers thought it would be, that we've ever 576 00:54:24,976 --> 00:54:29,858 done. Maybe, like it was interesting how the characters weren't very similar stats-wise, 577 00:54:29,898 --> 00:54:34,800 like they had a lot of differences and yet it still came out as close as a coin toss. I'm 578 00:54:34,860 --> 00:54:39,430 actually glad that it was close because both characters I think are really cool. I think 579 00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:46,271 both deserved to win. We should note that we did not factor in Warworld itself or Annihilus's 580 00:54:46,391 --> 00:54:51,173 army into these stat figures. Right, because the characters have to win on their own merits. 581 00:54:51,633 --> 00:54:58,515 That being said, Warworld is the ultimate weapon and there's no reason to say why Mongol wouldn't 582 00:54:58,575 --> 00:55:03,056 take advantage of using it. Same for Annihilus with his annihilation wave especially against 583 00:55:03,136 --> 00:55:07,777 a villain as powerful as Mongol. These guys both have resources, they may as well use them, 584 00:55:07,977 --> 00:55:12,408 you know? I think it makes for a better match that way. Very true. But that does it for this 585 00:55:12,468 --> 00:55:16,511 duel. 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