Ultraman vs Hyperion

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This is a DynaMic Network podcast.

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Welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous Joe. And in this episode, we're doing a duel between two evil Superman-type characters from alternate dimensions, Ultraman against Hyperion. Hyperion's not evil. What are you talking about?

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It wasn't he like a bad guy for a while. No, he's like he's misguided sometimes. We'll just say that. But he's a hero. Pretty sure in supreme power, he was bad. That was the even Marvel continuity. Those Marvel Max. OK. Anyway, Hyperion's a good guy, and he's going to beat the shit out of Ultraman. That's all you need to know. And all you need to know is I got I don't know. I got nothing. I'll think of something later on in this episode.

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Before that, we're going to break down the comic book movie news from the past week, of which we have some casting news. Millie Alcock has been cast as Supergirl in the DC Universe, and Geraldine Viswanathan and Lewis Pullman have been cast in the MCU's Thunderbolts. As always, we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Our artificially intelligent dual simulator, AJ-9K, has a quick message for our listeners, so listen up.

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This week hosts Ken and Scotty, you're gonna find out who'd win in a fight between Robocop and Wolfcop. And on the Send Your World podcast, hosts Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between your favorite anime characters. This week, we'll find out who would win between Fire Forces Takihisa and Hinawa versus Blue Exorcists Yukio Okumura. And on the Console Combat podcast, hosts John and Dean find out who'd win in fights between your favorite video game characters.

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In yesterday's episode, they continued into round three of their tournament speculating on who would win between Assassin's Creed's Ezio Auditore vs. Sonic the Hedgehog's Tails and Metal Gear's Revolver Ocelot vs. Mortal Kombat's Scorpion. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the Dynamike Podcast Network. But with that out of the way, quick to the no prize!

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A No Prize is an award Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week we asked, who is your favorite villain from a Marvel or DC television series and why? And this is coming off the news that Wilson Bethel will be returning as Bullseye in the Daredevil Born Again Disney Plus series next year. We got quite a few answers.

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So let's break down the honorable mentions before revealing this week's no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to... Miggy Mathengian, who said... Hey what's up guys, it's Miggy. My favorite DC TV villain is Eivartan from The Flash Season 1. I think his motivation was pretty unique because he just wanted to get home, so you can sympathize with that while still disliking his methods. Also his relationship with the protagonist was also very unique because it started out

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out of pure resentment, but it evolved into a love-hate mentorship. Thanks guys. Yeah, Eobard Thawne was the reverse Flash antagonist in the Flash CW series. Now the character was played by multiple actors over the course of the series, namely Tom Kavanaugh and Matt Letcher, but every time he was on screen, he was a force to be reckoned with. He was just pure evil in how much he wanted to bring down the series protagonist Barry Allen.

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Yeah, I never watched The Flash show, but it seemed like Reverse Flash was the best out of all the villains that were on all the seasons. Yeah, I didn't watch the whole thing, but I did watch the final battle of the final episode and that was pretty cool. It was really cool to see the Reverse Flash and all the other speedsters that The Flash had gone up against throughout the series in that episode. Great answer, Miggy. Our next honorable mention goes to Travis Herndon, who said,

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Hey guys, Travis here. So my answer would have to be Bushmaster from Luke Cage Season 2. I think he was an amazing villain, had a tragic backstory, an interesting power set. I really love him as an antagonist and a villain and seeing that fight, that main fight between him and Luke Cage was cool as well as them teaming up really makes me wish that he could have stayed as sort of a new partner for Luke Cage in Season 3, but hey, what will he do?

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Yeah, Bushmaster in season two of Luke Cage was incredible. He had a great backstory and he was quite the formidable challenge for Luke Cage. Like he totally whipped his ass early on in that season. And then, you know, Luke Cage had to grow as a character in order to finally face him again. The Luke Cage television show had some great villains across its two season run. Like in the first season, you had Cottonmouth and Black Mariah. Although you also had Diamondback, which really sucked. But like season two had no such villain problem.

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because Bushmaster was just phenomenal. And Black Mariah was phenomenal too. Yeah, Luke Cage season two is like one of the most underrated, I think, seasons of superhero television in existence. I feel like not enough people saw that, and it was really good. In part, thanks to Bushmaster, fantastic villain. Great answer, Travis. Our next honorable mention goes to Judson Batty, who said. Hi guys, Judson Batty here. I think that the best villain from a Marvel or DC project,

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show is Deathstroke from Arrow season two. He was played incredibly well with subtleties that made the performance never get boring. He was recognizable as the character from the comics and made a hero as selfless as Green Arrow for his own life and not just that of those around him, which is quite an impressive feat. Yeah, Deathstroke has been the villain of a number of television seasons, including like Titan season two.

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but he was never more frightening and more effectively used than in Arrow Season 2. The fact that you set up this character of Slade as being an ally of the main character Oliver Queen throughout Season 1, only to see that relationship deteriorate in the Season 2 flashbacks, and just see the consequences of everything that happened on the island in the present day, it was terrifying. He was like a great monster movie character, almost like Michael Myers or something like that, but like...

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smart and just deadly and fast, really wicked, really awesome, fantastic answer. We want to give a quick shout out to Colby Hentges and Scott Camacho for taking the time to visit our website and leave their answers as well. But the winner of this week's Snow Prize is Alex Fowler who said, What is up, gentlemen? This is Alex Fowler, huge fan, been listening for a long time. My favorite depiction of a villain in a Marvel or DC series. I'm a DC fan, but I've got to say.

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Vincent D'Onofrio's depiction of Kingpin in Daredevil is just great. He's complex. You understand why he is the way he is. He's depicted intensely. He's just great, guys. You know what? You guys are doing a great job. Keep up the great work. Huge, huge fan. Take care. Bye-bye. Yeah, I mean, this is the answer, right? Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin so epitomizes the character and I think even enhances what everybody's perception of him was from the comics.

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You know, Kingpin was always the fat bald guy who for some reason could go toe to toe with Spider-Man. I think watching Vincent D'Onofrio's intensity as he plays the character, not only in Daredevil seasons 1 through 3, but also I think in the recent Echo television series, the character is so believable, so threatening. Vincent D'Onofrio is phenomenal. Yeah, I'm a DC fan just like Alex, and even I admit that Vincent D'Onofrio was like born to play Kingpin. It's a sight to behold. And there's not much more to say about it than that.

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Great answer, Alex. You win this week's No Prize. If you the listener want a shot at winning your own No Prize, stay tuned to later on this episode when we'll be asking another question of the week. And now that that's done, onto the news.

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Okay, so a few weeks ago we learned that the finalists for the casting of Laura Zor-El, aka Supergirl, in James Gunn's DC Cinematic Universe was down to McDonaldi from some Disney zombie TV show and Millie Alcock from HBO's House of the Dragon. And it's been revealed that Millie has won the role of Supergirl, beating out McDonaldi. Not gonna lie.

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I was actually rooting for McDonaldy for the role. And this is probably because my daughters have watched that zombie Disney television series. So I was familiar with her. I haven't seen House of the Dragon yet, but now I know I definitely need to because I've heard great things about Millie Alcock's performance in that even though she's only in two episodes of the series. But yeah, she's our super girl. And all I want to know is how the heck did like this eight year old get this part? Right. Not going to lie. That was my first reaction to.

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Apparently though, she's 23 years old. She looks 12, but she's 23. She's 5'5". You know, I've seen some fan art, some better than others, where she looks fairly decent as the character. Not as good as McDonnelly, but I'm not gonna hold that against her, because again, she's supposedly a fantastic actress. And I like the fact that James Gunn would choose the better actress over the more comics accurate depiction, I guess you could say. She's like the female Will Poulter.

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She looks exactly like Will Poulter. You know who you look exactly like? You? That's fair, I shouldn't say anything else then. Ha ha ha. To be fair, I stole the Will Poulter line from Meggie on the Discord channel. That's what he said and it cracked me up because it's true. She just does not look like Supergirl to me and I'm really thinking that we may need to realign our expectations for this role. She may not look like Supergirl.

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but she may act like Supergirl. And according to some of the scans I've seen from the woman of tomorrow trade paperback, the character is a total badass. Oh yeah, yeah, Supergirl in that comic series is a very hard edged character. And maybe Millie Alcock has that hard edge to her that the other actresses did not. Ultimately, she's the lead in a film that is probably gonna be really, really expensive to make. So I hope they put their chips in the right hand.

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But I'm optimistic because so far the rest of the other casting in the DCU has been spot on. Yeah, Millie Alcock might be all, you know, 5'5 and look like she's a teenager, but I will also admit that she also looks feisty and like she could kick some ass if she needs to. We've recently seen Supergirl in quite a few projects as of late, including the Supergirl television series and the Flash movie. So Millie Alcock has some big shoes to fill. And that brings us to our question of the week.

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Who has been your favorite Supergirl actress across film and television, and why? Record your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer, and award that person a Dynamic Duel No Prize that we'll post to Instagram. Be sure to answer before February 10th.

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In Marvel News, we learned this past week that the Thunderbolts has cast two new roles in the film, including Geraldine Viswanathan. We're not quite sure who she's playing yet, but it appears that Lewis Pullman has nabbed the role of Robert Reynolds, aka The Sentry, taking over the spot that was left behind by Steven Yeun. Now Lewis Pullman is an actor that I'm not too familiar with other than his parentage. He is the son of Bill Pullman.

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who we all know as the badass president from Independence Day, and also while you were sleeping. And a bunch of other great stuff. Bill Pullman's a great actor. His son, I'm hoping, is great as well. He was in Top Gun Maverick, and he was also in Bad Times at the El Royale, and recently Lessons in Chemistry with Brie Larson. I saw parts of all three of those, and I don't remember him. Well, you're gonna remember him now that he's playing the Sentry. He looks the part, you know, he looks the part of Bob Reynolds, I should say, maybe not necessarily the Sentry.

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It will be interesting to see him bulked out with like golden flowing hair and stuff like that. But you know, he has time to bulk up if he needs to. I don't know if they're going to go for like the drug addict Rob Reynolds look or the totally shredded sentry, but we'll see. Whatever actor was going to play the sentry needed to convincingly convey both a light and a dark side, considering the sentry's dark shadow self is the void. So it's really a dual role here. Do we know what character Geraldine Viswanathan is going to play?

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No, but she did replace Ayo Adabiri, who had to depart the project due to scheduling issues, just like Steven Yeun. Cool. This is like the most boring casting announcement ever. It's like a whole bunch of people we don't know playing roles that we aren't sure about. What are you talking about? We know who the Sentry is. Yeah, but I mean, the Sentry is not that cool. Do you want to die? I mean, we all die someday.

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Sentry is badass, you don't know what you're talking about. And I think this is pretty interesting news. I'm looking forward to seeing how Lewis Pullman plays the character. You know what we need? We need like some fucking costume tests. Like we're getting casting news without costume tests. I wanna see these people in the roles. Kevin Feige and James Gunn, come on. Well, maybe we'll get some news at this year's San Diego Comic-Con. I bet this year's Comic-Con is gonna be so cool.

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Like I'm looking forward to it more than I have in a long time. It's because there's only a few movies coming out this year. So there's a lot more to look forward to in the coming years than there is this year. Yeah, the sooner we get through this year, the better, man, for real. Let's just fast forward 2024. Just have a ton of fun because time flies, apparently. No, I'm looking forward to Deadpool three. Better be lots of fun. It will be. We all know it will be.

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But I think that does it for all the news for this episode, so let's go ahead and move into our main event where we find out who would win in a fight between the Crime Syndicate's Ultraman versus the Squadron Supremes Hyperion.

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Alright, Ultraman versus Hyperion. Ultraman of course is the evil Earth 3 counterpart to Superman and Hyperion is the Superman, one of many Superman counterparts in Marvel. You've got Hyperion, you've got Gladiator, you've got the Sentry, you've got a whole bunch of people because Marvel's a big ripoff company. I mean not really though if you think about it. I just did and I just revealed that that was true. Now Hyperion is cool.

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He's the leader of the Squadron Supreme, who is a team that had a fantastic run in the mid-1980s, even before Watchmen came out, that really started to break down and deconstruct the superhero mythos. And really what Marvel was doing was they were trying to tell the story using these DC character archetypes to explore what would it be like if they were more authoritarian and really do things that DC couldn't really do with their IP at the time.

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And really, it was a huge influence, I think, to Alan Moore's Watchmen, who told a similar story, but those characters were more analogs to the Charlton characters, but fantastic stories. You know, I knew about the Squadron Supreme legacy as being something like that. I didn't realize it came before Watchmen, though. I'll have to read it. It's good. It's really good. I'll definitely go into major spoilers about that story within my Hyperion background, but I hope it'll convince a lot of people to check it out. Yeah, there's...

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several versions of Hyperion, right? Correct, yeah. So there was the original Hyperion from the Squadron Supreme, there was Hyperion from Squadron Sinister, which was an evil doppelganger version of Squadron Supreme, then there was also Supreme Powers Hyperion, which was a line in the Marvel Max imprint, and then two other Hyperions found their way to the Marvel Primary 616 universe. I don't think we've mentioned this yet, but this is actually a multiversal duel. That's the whole reason why we're doing this.

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Oh yes, so of course Ultraman was in the recent Justice League Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 1 animated film. We were supposed to review that after Echo, so this is a tie into that. But also, you know, between Crisis on Infinite Earths and Madame Web, we were looking to do these multiversal duels. So this is one of them.

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Yeah, we've done several multiversal duels over the course of this show, including Batman Beyond vs. Spider-Man 2099, Cosmic Gross Rider vs. The Batman Who Laughs, and we've done Kingdom Come Superman vs. Maestro. So it's always neat to explore these universes outside of the primary Marvel and DC continuity. Yeah, and we'll do so in the characters' backstories. Before that, let's go to our sentient duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ 9K.

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Tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our dual matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid.

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from which the DC characters' statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included, such as range, damage potential, versatility, and perception, in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the 1,000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor, as they have a higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 100% of the matches.

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The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner.

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Thanks AJ9K, before we run the simulations though, we'd like to break down each character's histories and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations would play out beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first with the Marvel backstory, so let me go ahead and tell you all about Hyperion. Beyond the Earth-616 mainstream Marvel universe, an adjacent reality known as Earth-712 was the home of a team of superheroes called the Squadron Supreme.

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The team was led by a hero named Hyperion, who was the last surviving member of a race of Eternals whose planet had died. Sent to live on Earth as a baby, Hyperion was raised by a loving family who named him Mark Milton, and instilled a strong moral code. Growing up as the hero Hyperion, he moved to Cosmopolis, where he worked at a newspaper as a cartoonist, and fell in love with reporter Lonnie Latimer. During his career as a superhero, he befriended fellow adventurer Nighthawk,

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aka Batman, and the two joined forces with Power Princess, aka Wonder Woman, Amphibian, aka Aquaman, the Blur, aka Flash, Dr. Spectrum, aka Green Lantern, and the Skrull hero Skymax, aka Martian Manhunter, to form the Squadron Supreme. Together, they were the world's finest protectors, rising to fight and defeat any threat to planet Earth. In one adventure,

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The elder of the universe known as the Grandmaster created an evil duplicate of the team and called it the Squadron Sinister. In a cosmic wager against a variant of the villain King the Conqueror, the Grandmaster pit the Squadron Sinister against Earth-616's Avengers in a contest of champions. The Avengers won the battle. Like, super easily mind you. Bullshiiiit. And though the Grandmaster and King's bet was over,

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The Avengers later found themselves accidentally transported to Earth-712, where they met the Squadron Supreme. After a brief misunderstanding where they confused them for the Squadron Sinister, the two teams eventually joined forces to defeat a mutant villain named Brainchild, before the Avengers returned to their home reality. Later, the Squadron became mind-controlled by an evil entity known as Overmind, and the team ravaged the United States into an apocalyptic state.

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However, Earth-616's Defenders team were able to travel to their dimension and free the Squadron and combine their might to defeat Overmind. The Defenders then returned to their home reality, but Earth-712's America was left in chaos. You can learn more about King the Conqueror and his duel against Professor Zoom, more about the Avengers and their duel against the Justice League, and more about the Defenders and their duel against the Suicide Squad. With the United States falling apart,

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Hyperion and his teammates decided that with their combined knowledge and power, they could restore the country and transform it into a utopia. The team declared martial law and usurped the US government, implementing a series of sweeping changes that included a behavior modification program to inhibit the criminal instincts of prison inmates. They also destroyed all firearms and replaced them with personal force field devices,

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and developed medical cryogenic technology to preserve those who were near death until such time they could be restored to health. Though the squadron's reforms successfully turned the planet into a paradise without crime, poverty, and sickness, their new system of order was not without its setbacks. The hero known as the Golden Archer, aka Green Arrow, was removed from the team after it was discovered he was using the behavior modification process to brainwash his teammate Lady Lark

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aka Black Canary, to fall in love with him. Nuke, aka Firestorm, went on a crazed rampage after learning the radiation from his body had killed his parents, forcing the Squadron to kill him. Several members left the Squadron after becoming disgusted with its methods, including Amphibian and Nighthawk, the latter of whom created his own team of heroes and former villains called the Redeemers who would rise to oppose the Squadron.

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The two groups clashed in a brutal fight in which several members on each side were killed. When Hyperion saw Nighthawk perish in the battle, he became horrified at what was happening and realized that his late friend was right. That although their intentions were good, the Squadron Supreme had become dictators in a totalitarian state of their own creation. They surrendered control of the US back to the government and the team disbanded.

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Shortly after, Hyperion recruited the remaining members of the squadron to save Earth-712 from the Nth Man, aka Phantom Stranger, who was inadvertently nullifying dimensions he was traveling through. Several members of the squadron died trying to stop him, though they ultimately were successful. Hyperion, however, ended up stranded alongside several other squadron members in the Earth-616 reality for a time, where he ended up occasionally partnering with the Avengers.

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Eventually Hyperion and his fellow teammates found a way back to their home reality, where they found that in the absence of the Squadron, the world governments had formed a global directorate that were using the technology of the Squadron's old Utopia project for themselves. The founding members of the Squadron Supreme banded together once again, along with the son of the original Nyhawk and a team of dimension-hopping heroes called the Exiles. Together

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they battled and defeated the global directorate, returning freedom to the world, and allowing society to progress democratically and without superhuman involvement. Unfortunately, all of Earth-712 came to an end, however, when realities in the Marvel multiverse began colliding and destroying each other in a series of cataclysmic incursions. Hyperion became his universe's only survivor, floating in the void left where his dimension was destroyed.

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There, he was discovered by AIM scientists from Earth-616 who held him in captivity until he was rescued by the Avengers and joined their ranks for a time as they tried to stop the incursions. After the events of the secret wars that rebuilt the multiverse, Hyperion formed a new squadron supreme composed of heroes who had also survived their own universe's destruction. And that's his backstory.

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capable of absorbing cosmic radiation and channeling it like a nuclear reactor for a variety of effects. This includes vastly enhanced durability and strength, able to lift well in excess of 100 tons. He can fly and move at hypersonic speeds, and has superhuman senses including hearing, smell, and sight, able to see in all wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum like infrared and x-rays. He can also fire beams of intense radiation from his eyes called atomic vision.

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In addition to his physical attributes, he is a capable leader and an experienced combatant. He has only one weakness, and that is to Argonite, a substance native to his birth planet. Which is named Argon? It's never named actually. I guess you could assume that his birth planet was Argon or Argo. Friggin no shame. How are you with the fact that you're essentially using a DC character in this match? I don't know what you're talking about. I hope it feels good. How do you figure?

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Hyperion is basically a DC character. I don't see it. Cosmopolis, Argonite, Atomic Vision. You totally lost me, man. Alright. Well, let me move on to Ultraman. Within the DC multiverse, there exists a universe that is a dark reflection of DC's Prime Universe, in which heroes became villains and villains became heroes. In this universe, the planet Krypton never exploded,

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The infant son of the Kryptonian criminal, Jir-Lil, was rocketed from the planet to Earth, encountering Kryptonite adrift in space along the way, which empowered the infant in this universe rather than weakening him. Gaining new powers each time he encountered the smallest fragment of Kryptonite, the Kryptonian grew to become a superpower despot known as Ultraman. During his conquest and destruction, he encountered four other powerful and tyrannical beings,

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Overpowering and Johnny Quick and together they joined to form the Crime Syndicate of America Able to overpower any resistance the Crime Syndicate conquered most of the world with Ultraman gaining new powers Every time they encountered new stashes of Kryptonite on Earth Eventually Ultraman gained a new type of supervision that allowed him to see into other universes Setting his sights on Earth's one and two

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the home dimensions of the Justice League and Justice Society, respectively.

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You can learn more about the Justice League and Justice Society in their team duel episodes against the Avengers and Fantastic Four. Eager to test the strength of the crime syndicate against the champions from these other worlds, Ultraman and his allies nonetheless proved themselves incapable of overpowering the combined might of the heroes from Earths 1 and 2. Ultraman himself fell after the heroes of Earth 1 exposed him to a chunk of kryptonite so large, his body went into a paralytic shock after the acquisition of so many new powers.

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which eventually wore off. Ultraman and the crime syndicate were imprisoned by Green Lantern in an interdimensional prison between universes, though they eventually escaped and Ultraman was rescued by Lex Luthor and Alexi Luthor of Earths 1 and 2 in order to kill the supermen of their worlds. With the help of Alexander Luthor Sr. of Earth 3, a hero, the supermen were able to defeat and

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Eventually, a wave of antimatter tore through the DC Multiverse, destroying entire universes. Though the Crime Syndicate teamed up with Alexander Luther Sr. and other heroes of Earth 3, nothing they did was able to stop the wave. Resigned to fight to the very end, Ultraman charged the oncoming wave at full force and was instantly erased from existence, just before the rest of his universe also vanished.

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After the Crisis on Infinite Earth's event concluded with the destruction of the multiverse and the creation of a single universe, the villain's psycho pirate revealed years later the ability to psychically manifest any being from the former multiverse from his mask, known as the Medusa Mask, which was revealed to contain Ultraman. Years later, it was also revealed that Ultraman's mind was rescued prior to its destruction by the antimatter wave by the Legion of Superheroes villain, Saturn Queen.

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a powerful psychic from the future who attempted to use Ultraman to take over the bottled city of Kandor in the present, though her plan was thwarted by Supergirl. While the Multiverse had collapsed during the Crisis on Infinite Earths, there did still exist an antimatter counterpart to the Positive Matter Universe, home to another antimatter version of the Crime Syndicate and a new version of Ultraman. This antimatter version was formerly a human astronaut named Lieutenant

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Clark Kent, whose spaceship exploded in hyperspace, and his body was rebuilt by aliens using anti-cryptonite radiation in an effort to build the ultimate weapon. Clark gained control of his new powers that he had developed before the aliens could control him, however, and Clark returned to Earth. His mind now warped and used his powers to take over the planet.

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Anti-Matter Ultraman was revealed to be married to Superwoman, the Anti-Matter Lois Lane, though she was having an affair with Anti-Matter Owlman. Ultraman's powers were contingent upon exposure to Anti-Cryptonite. Though Anti-Matter Lex Luthor attempted to save his Earth from the Crime Syndicate's rule, with help from the Positive Matter Universe's Justice League, his plan ultimately failed, as the Anti-Matter Earth recognized the Crime Syndicate as their legitimate leaders.

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Eventually, the Crime Syndicate grew bored with Earth's collective Stockholm Syndrome and decided to attack the antimatter planet of Kord, home to the Weponeers that created the very first yellow power ring. Their battle ended up creating a positive matter wave that spread throughout the antimatter universe, altering its reality.

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In an attempt to better understand what was going on, Ultraman and his allies visited the positive matter universe disguised as their counterparts and eventually decided to stay. Though they were fought back to their dimension by the Justice League, only to learn that now everyone on their Earth hated them. When 52 new universes were created during the Infinite Crisis, Earth 3 was reimagined. This time, Krypton was destroyed by the Anti-Monitor.

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and the young Cal Ill's father sent him from the dying planet into space to grow in power and eventually get revenge. After landing on Earth, the infant Cal forced two alcoholic drug addicts named Jonathan and Martha Kent to adopt him, only to later murder them when he turned seven years old. He eventually became Ultraman and formed the Crime Syndicate, once again taking over the world only for it to be destroyed by the Anti-Monitor just like Krypton.

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It was at this time that Darkseid on the Prime Earth gained the anti-life equation, initiating the final crisis, and allowing the Crime Syndicate to escape Earth-3, though they became trapped in an interdimensional limbo, save for their versions of Alfred and the Atom, who managed to escape to the new Prime Continuity established after the Flash reset DC's timeline.

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After the Earth-3 Alfred and Adam orchestrated a clash between the Justice League, JLA, and Justice League Dark Teams, a portal was opened that unleashed Ultraman and his allies in the Prime Universe while also trapping many of its heroes. The crime syndicate was eventually stopped by Earth's villains, primarily by Lex Luthor, with Ultraman as the syndicate's only survivor.

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Imprisoned by the Justice League upon their return, he was eventually set free during a war between Darkseid and the Anti-Monitor to help stop them. Ultraman put up his best fight against the Anti-Monitor, but was easily killed by him in an anti-matter energy blast. The Earth-3 universe eventually healed itself, and Ultraman and the Crime Syndicate were reborn, and eventually encountered by Superman's son,

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Jonathan Kent, whom Ultraman imprisoned and eventually confessed to that he had no real friends. Ultraman and the crime syndicate joined Perpetua, the creator of the multiverse, when she and Batman from across the Dark Multiverse attempted to destroy it. Owlman, feeling betrayed that he was not one of the Dark Multiverse Batman and seeking revenge against Perpetua, shot and killed Ultraman and Superwoman with a gun from Kord.

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Your deal destroyed and recreated Earth-3, whose new version of Ultraman obtained a device that allowed him to traverse the multiverse and kill any Superman that he came across. Though Val Zod, the black Superman of Earth-2, and Jonathan Kent tried to stop him, Ultraman banished Val Zod to the Phantom Zone, and though Jonathan nearly defeated Ultraman, Ultraman was killed by the Superman from the Injustice Universe, Earth-49. And that's his backstory.

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Powers-wise, Ultraman's physiology allows him to gain vast power from the radiation of his native planet, Krypton. Though he can store that radiation in his body, the presence of Kryptonite strengthens him even further. He possesses vast strength and durability, ultra-speed, and flight. He also has ultra-senses, such as hearing and sight, and he can emit heat vision from his eyes. His one weakness is that his powers will diminish over time

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without access to kryptonite and this accelerates when exposed to solar radiation. He's more powerful in the dark. DC has no shame. Like, how dare they rip off a hero- Themselves? His beloved and popular as Ultraman. What? The true Ultraman, which is the Japanese Ultraman.

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Actually, I think our Ultraman came before that one. Do you know that for sure? Yes, I do. The Japanese Ultraman came out in 1966. And the Silver Age version of Ultraman came out in 1964. So boom, damn it. Everyone copies DC, gosh.

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But now that we've got their histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not this speculation, but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation? Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated.

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For the speculation, the contestants will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a non-descript environment that will have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then, let's get into it. Ultraman and Hyperion meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? Alright, I'm going to say that since Ultraman is more evil and unhinged than Hyperion, he's going to go first.

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He's gonna start by crushing a kryptonite rock that he had and just snorting that thing off the back of his hand. So now that he's more powered up, he's gonna ultra-speed dash over to Hyperion and just like crush his neck in his bare hands. Where did he get this kryptonite rock from? He has a stash of kryptonite that he keeps around him. He knows he needs it. Alright. Alright, well Hyperion sees Ultraman do this line of kryptonite crack and Hyperion's against it.

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He's like, drugs are illegal and bad. So he's going to hold out his hand as Ultraman's flying at him. And he just catches Ultraman's fist in his palm and uses that momentum to slam Ultraman into the ground, just creating this massive crater that shakes whatever planet they're onto its core. OK, I mean, that's that's fine. Ultraman, you know, he's going to ultra spin his body, just drilling deep into the ground before he explodes back out right beneath Hyperion, just.

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pushing him into space while heat visioning his face off. Okay, well as Hyperion's being carried into space, he's gonna counter Ultraman's heat vision with his atomic vision. And like the two eye beams are like canceling each other out and Hyperion is gonna grab Ultraman by the head and then he's just gonna head butt the shit out of him, sending Ultraman crashing back into the ground from space. And then Hyperion with his eyes still glowing.

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He's going to fly down and slam into Ultraman with this badass superhero landing pose. Except that Ultraman sees Hyperion speeding down toward him, and he's going to use his ultra breath to freeze Hyperion, causing him to just shatter once he hits the ground. So now there's blood and ice everywhere. Yeah, Ultraman's blood. What? Because he just got freaking decimated by a Hyperion ice missile. Like, ice isn't really going to hurt.

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Hyperion like he wouldn't freeze through that fast considering his body is built like a nuclear reactor Fine, I guess Ultraman, you know has the wind knocked out of him or something. He could withstand nuclear bombs Okay. All right. So while Ultraman is winded Hyperion yanks him by the cape and swings him around and around and around Choking Ultraman by his collar and then Hyperion let's go the cape Tossing him like a hammer throw and sending Ultraman crashing right into a nearby moon. On moon? Okay

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Uh, so Ultraman, you know, he's gonna grab that moon and just hurl it right back down toward Hyperion, just annihilating him and the planet he's on. Is he strong enough to do that? Yeah, uh, actually Ultraman had to move the moon between the sun and the Earth, so that the Earth was in a constant state of eclipse, and so he wouldn't be degraded power-wise. Oh, interesting. Okay, well, Hyperion sees that this moon is gonna crash down onto him. I don't think he would have any choice but to, like,

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meet it head on by flying through it, kind of like a bullet through a bowling ball type situation, which is, you know, it's going to hurt him. Like a bullet is not going to go through a bowling ball unscathed. The same goes for Hyperion. You know, it's going to hurt him. He's going to be drained pretty badly, but he is going to be angry and he's going to be like, you throw another moon at me. I'm going to lose it. So Ultraman throws another moon at Hyperion. What? For where? I don't know. But.

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The thing is, this one randomly happened to be filled with kryptonite. Who knew? Oh my God. Basically, when it explodes upon hitting Hyperion, it's going to turn Ultraman into like a god and now he's like this reality warping telekinetic and he's going to mentally explode Hyperion's atoms across the universe. Just with a thought. Boom. Dude, that's environmental. You can't say the moon has kryptonite in it. Like who's to say?

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I mean, I do. I just I just said that. Like you're the one who brought the moon into it. Well, most planets have a moon like that seems fairly easy to assume. But also, like you said in Ultraman's bio that too much kryptonite exposure paralyzed him because he like developed too many powers at once or something. Well, that's a silver age version. I don't care. I want to say instead of killing Hyperion, Ultraman's like, eh, it's too much power and he's going to go into a coma, at which point Hyperion.

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It's gonna take this opportunity and he's just gonna fly Hyperion into the nearest sun, which is just gonna render Ultraman powerless and like ultra dead. Alright, that would definitely kill Ultraman. So yeah, we'll leave it there. Either Ultraman is killed by being thrown into a sun and just losing his power from the solar radiation, or he gets ultra ultra powered up from a whole bunch of kryptonite around him and just erases Hyperion from existence.

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Yeah, sounds pretty good. Let's go ahead and enter the character stats, run the simulations and come back with a winner. AG9K, hit it! Inputting data, running calculations, processing results, simulations complete. Okay, so these characters are both Superman, analogs, ripoffs, whatever you may want to call them. They're basically Superman. So it's not surprising that their stats were basically equal to Superman's.

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Yeah, they had the same speed, evasiveness, durability, strength, damage level, fighting skill, range, versatility. They were pretty much a match. Which is pretty rare. Like, we don't come across that too often. We try not to. Right. Because if we know the character stats are the same, we run into a situation where it's a guaranteed coin flip, you know, 50-50 on who wins. But you know, it could still be anybody's fight. According to our Instagram poll takers, they believe that Ultraman

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is ultimately going to come out on top in this match. Sixty two percent of those who voted voted in Ultraman's favor. And I'm going to chalk that up to them thinking it was the Japanese Ultraman. There's a photo of Ultraman on the pole. I don't really know anything about the Japanese Ultraman, so I don't know what his powers are, but I'm still going to say he's more popular. Well, let's find out who the winner is. H.E. 9K, the results, please. Hey, you are, sir. All right. The winner.

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between the Crime Syndicate's Ultraman and the Squadron Supreme's Hyperion is... Hyperion! Really close though, almost a coin toss, Hyperion won 517 matches out of the 1000 simulations whereas Ultraman only won 483. So Hyperion's 51.7% over Ultraman's 48.3%.

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And I knew this was gonna happen once I realized that I had to concede Ultraman's intelligent stat. He's definitely not as smart as Superman, so we figured he's not as smart as Hyperion. Yeah, Hyperion's not the sharpest tool in the shed, you know. He was the one who thought that it would be a good idea to essentially become a dictator over an authoritarian state, but he's also not so stupid to think that he can punch an antimatter wave and have that be okay.

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Yeah, that was kind of humorous when I read that. So, I mean, I guess I can't be too bummed. The good guy won, even if it is a Marvel guy. Still a rip off, though. Essentially, you could say Superman wins in the end in this match. No, I period would beat him to what? No, no, he he loses just on originality points alone. Like that needs to be a new stat originality. DC is going to top out Marvel every time in that stat.

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As we've said many times on the show, it's not about who does it first. It's about who does it better. And if there was a quality stat, Marvel would be higher because their characters are just better. So it would even out. If you're arguing that Hyperion is better than Superman. Yes. I would have fucked. Duh. Obviously. Next time I see you, when's the next family dinner? Be prepared. I'm not afraid of you. Well, I guess that does it for this duel. Let us know what you thought about the results by writing to us at Dynamic Duel Podcast.

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on Apple podcasts, Spotify, Podchaser, or on our website. Next week's episode is gonna be another duel, another multiversal duel, where we pit two characters outside of the main Marvel and DC continuity against each other. This time we're going to find out who'd win in a fight between Rocket, who is the sidekick to Icon. Yeah, from Milestone Comics. Versus Spider-Gwen, who everybody knows is a popular Spider-themed multiversal character.

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And of course, that episode is in lead up to Madam Web, which we'll be reviewing the week after. But that does it for this episode. We want to give a big thanks to our executive producers, Ken Johnson, John Storowski, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe, Miggy Mattenkian, Brandon Estergard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yaton, Nick Abato, Austin Wazilowski, AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew Shunk, and Dean Molesky for helping make this podcast possible. And we'll talk to you guys next week. Up up and away, true believers.

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